Opinions : Will decent draft picks and 2nd tier FA's cut it

[AU-panther]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

If you think the panthers had more talent than the broncos in 2015 you are blinded by fanboyism. It's not even up for debate. We had Cam who was the equalizer for all their weapons.

 

Actually Lloyd got a 3 year 20 million dollar contract, he was cut after one season and his contract was backloaded which is what we should do with highly coveted FA

I don't think so, where did you get the $20m from? wiki?  Read my links

18/41 is not the great equalizer, I'm a big fan of Cam but that wasn't his best day.

 

[GoobyPls]

6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I don't think so, where did you get the $20m from? wiki?  Read my links

18/41 is not the great equalizer, I'm a big fan of Cam but that wasn't his best day.

 

USA Today 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/10723881/

https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lloyd-contract-struggle-dusts-off-condon-vs-pats-feud/amp/

 

Lloyd contract had a lot insensitives.

 

Again in talking about the teams as a whole, outside of QB, TE, LB and DT the Broncos were significantly better at those other positions. Fanboyism keeps blinded you 

[AU-panther]

27 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

USA Today 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/10723881/

https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/lloyd-contract-struggle-dusts-off-condon-vs-pats-feud/amp/

 

Lloyd contract had a lot insensitives.

 

Again in talking about the teams as a whole, outside of QB, TE, LB and DT the Broncos were significantly better at those other positions. Fanboyism keeps blinded you 

Maybe that article was a later one that referenced the wiki, either way they got rid of him after a year and how many yards did he have in that one year?

Speaking of the SB, here are the comparisons between us and the Broncos:

Cam Newton              -   Peyton Manning                                             

Jonathan Stewart      -   C.J. Anderson

Greg Olsen                 -    Owen Daniels

Michael Oher             -    Ryan Harris

Andrew Norwell         -  Evan Mathis

Ryan Kalil                     -    Matt Paradis

Trai Turner                  -    Louis Vasquez

Mike Remmers           -   Michael Schofield

Ted Ginn                      -    Damaryius Thomas

Jerricho Cotchery       -    Emmanuel Sanders

Devin Funchess           -    Jordan Norwood

 Charles Johnson         -   Derek Wolfe

Star Lotulelei              -    Sylvester Williams

Kawann Short             -    Malik Jackson

Jared Allen                  -    Von Miller

Shaq Thompson         -    Demarcus Ware

Luke Kuechly              -    Brandon Marshall

Thomas Davis             -    Danny Trevathan

Robert McClain           -    Aqib Talib

Josh Norman                -   Chris Harris Jr

Roman Harper             -    TJ Ward

Kurt Coleman               -    Darian Stewart

Blue for where I think we had the edge, and orange them.  And yes Remmers and Oher ranked higher than their 2 tackles.

Here again I don't think they were any better then us personnel wise, I think they just played better that day.

[GoobyPls]

16 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Maybe that article was a later one that referenced the wiki, either way they got rid of him after a year and how many yards did he have in that one year?

Speaking of the SB, here are the comparisons between us and the Broncos:

Cam Newton              -   Peyton Manning                                             

Jonathan Stewart      -   C.J. Anderson

Greg Olsen                 -    Owen Daniels

Michael Oher             -    Ryan Harris

Andrew Norwell         -  Evan Mathis

Ryan Kalil                     -    Matt Paradis

Trai Turner                  -    Louis Vasquez

Mike Remmers           -   Michael Schofield

Ted Ginn                      -    Damaryius Thomas

Jerricho Cotchery       -    Emmanuel Sanders

Devin Funchess           -    Jordan Norwood

 Charles Johnson         -   Derek Wolfe

Star Lotulelei              -    Sylvester Williams

Kawann Short             -    Malik Jackson

Jared Allen                  -    Von Miller

Shaq Thompson         -    Demarcus Ware

Luke Kuechly              -    Brandon Marshall

Thomas Davis             -    Danny Trevathan

Robert McClain           -    Aqib Talib

Josh Norman                -   Chris Harris Jr

Roman Harper             -    TJ Ward

Kurt Coleman               -    Darian Stewart

Blue for where I think we had the edge, and orange them.  And yes Remmers and Oher ranked higher than their 2 tackles.

Here again I don't think they were any better then us personnel wise, I think they just played better that day.

 

Again the whole point is that they go after quality known names, we don't. Thus never having back to back winning seasons 

Shaq is a starter? Funchess wasn't even 3rd string? Wtf your just picking and choosing 

 

Let me break it down

Talib and Harris multiple pro bowls, Roby first round talent. We had Norman and a bunch of mediocre players. Edge Broncos 

Stewart and Ward both pro bowl players. Coleman is average Harper is a geezer. Edge Broncos 

 

LB clear edge us, even though Marshall and Travathan would both be highly sought after free agents 

Pass rush The have two future HOF players and Wolfe who just got a giant contract. We had Star and Kawaan those other guys wouldn't get anything over 10 mill in free agency.

 

QB us by a mile

 

RB Broncos got more production and Anderson had a lot buyers in free agency.

 

TE us by a mile

 

WR them by a country mile, we didn't have a single 1000 yard WR they had two pro bowl 1000 yards WR.

 

Again take of your panthers goggles off. The Broncos were twice as talented 

[AU-panther]

Shaq or Klein, I don't think it matters. I gave the edge to the Broncos.  Funchess was 3rd leading receiver so compared to their third leading receiver. 

Either way to say they are twice as talented is a stretch.

[LinvilleGorge]

It isn't a matter of who was more talented comparing position to position. It's who was more talented match up vs. match up. Von Miller was their best defensive player and he feasted on and proceeded to wipe his ass with Mike Remmers while our WRs dropped the ball half the time when Cam was actually able to get one off. When Stew went out, I knew we were in trouble. We couldn't afford to be one dimensional in that match up.

[GoobyPls]

You could combine Funchess and Brown and it still wouldn't equal one of their receivers

[Cpt slay a ho]

A big name free agent isn't needed, unless it's de or Ot. Our problem is, we try and fill key positions with mid round picks and undrafted FA's, recipe for failure. We seem to be a few pieces away every other year and somehow end up in worst shape by the end of the season(2014,2016 season),whether coaching,player regression,or lack of talent.




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[CWORS]

On 2/25/2017 at 5:44 PM, Jmac said:

Will that be enough to get us close to the big game again. Retain the guys we need, secure some quality  draft picks and fill out the roster with lower priced FA's. Opinions and thoughts please. I can't see DG deviating far from his philosophy. 

I think as long as DG can get more Kurt Coleman, Ted Ginn type FA signings we will can get to the big game again.

Here's my list of FA DG should take a look at

S-Micah Hyde

WR-Kenny Stills

T-Cameron Fleming (RFA)

 

 

[d-dave]

I think what we really need to happen to get to the Super Bowl is another run of momentum.

This year's Pats team was led by 1st ballot HOFers.  But they had momentum in games.  Atlanta went on a roll this past season.

Last year, we sprinted to the Super Bowl because of our momentum.

Seattle seems to create momentum at will (and lose it).

That starts when your guys make plays.  In 2016, the Panthers did not make very many plays.  Lots of guys got hurt, and maybe the backups played OK, but they didn't make plays to win games.  Think back to the magic of 2015.  Plays happened.  Ed Dickson made two major crazy plays: the Stewart Fumble Return for TD and that magical Cam off the helmet pass.  Those are the kinds of plays we missed this year.  Dickson is someone we've put up with, but fans have wanted an upgrade since he got here.

If the Panthers are able to stay smart, win some early games and put themselves in position during the holidays, there's no reason we can't go on a run in 2017 that leads us to the Super Bowl.  But it comes down to guys making plays.  We've seen in the NFL for years that those "unsung heroes" are often required to come out of no where to make huge plays at deciding moments.  

For most of us, 2016 was tough.  I imagine it was that much worse for the players out there.  Well, now they've had a taste of greatness, and a giant helping of humble pie along with someone stepping all over their gonads in extended cleats.  Maybe now, our team will approach the season they way that need to.  With the correct mentality, since they've been to the top and the bottom.