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Opinions : Will decent draft picks and 2nd tier FA's cut it

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Hoenheim Grand Master

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10 minutes ago, davos said:

The quickest way to describe a fix: We need to shore up both lines at the perimeter.  OTs and DEs all day...and add a safety.  

Thats actually a really good way to put it... nice! Saftey would be nice but not totally nessesary to get a dominant one. If we get two good DEs (or one great DE) we just need a serviceable SS. 

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Hoenheim Grand Master

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22 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

We made it in 2013 and 2015 with scrubs, outcasts and JAGs. 

What is your definition of "making it" or "cutting it?" what's good enough? Just making the playoffs? fug that, was any of that enough to WIN a superbowl?

Thats the whole point, you can put the franchise on cruise control, play it safe with your own guys and occasionally bargain bin FAs but will it get you a championship? Our franchise history says no. And the answer will continue to be no until we actually win one. And I bet we'll have at least two major key acquisitions to get it.

If you never take any risks or really put yourself out there, you may have occasional success but don't expect to get what you really want.  More likely you'll just be getting more of the same if you keep repeating the same actions you will get the same results.

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What is your definition of "making it" or "cutting it?" what's good enough? Just making the playoffs? fug that, was any of that enough to WIN a superbowl?

Thats the whole point, you can put the franchise on cruise control, play it safe with your own guys and occasionally bargain bin FAs but will it get you a championship? Our franchise history says no. And the answer will continue to be no until we actually win one. And I bet we'll have at least two major key acquisitions to get it.

If you never take any risks or really put yourself out there, you may have occasional success but don't expect to get what you really want.  More likely you'll just be getting more of the same if you keep repeating the same actions you will get the same results.


If your gauge is set on superbowl or fail, then you are going to encounter a lot of dissapointing seasons.

Only the Pats reach that measuring stick consistently since 2000 and they are 5-12 since 2000 (success vs non-success)

There are 31 other teams that didn't win it this year and there will be the same number next year.

We could field a superbowl capable team next year and have a random call in the 2nd quarter of the NFC Championship game go against us and ultimately cost the game.

Doesn't mean that the FO or coaches are failures.

Their jobs are to put us in position to compete for a championship.

With the parody in the league, a good night's rest or favorable winds could be the difference in a ring or a loss.

That is an exaggeration... but it is to illustrate the point that we are more-than-capable of fielding a championship caliber team next year... and they can be championship caliber without winning a championship.

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12 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I didn't say anything about multiple super bowls. I mean getting ONE super bowl . ONE. The point I'm trying to make in general is whatever the hell they're doing hasn't worked yet.

I assume you are a world champion?

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I don't think that we HAVE to go out and make a ton of splashy FA signings, but I do hope that we go after some guys who are a notch above the types of FAs we have gone after during Gettleman's tenure. As much as I'd love to see us go after guys like Eric Berry and/or Alshon Jeffrey, I honestly doubt it happens. However, maybe guys like Jonathan Cyprien and/or Robert Woods? Yeah, give me that.

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16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't think that we HAVE to go out and make a ton of splashy FA signings, but I do hope that we go after some guys who are a notch above the types of FAs we have gone after during Gettleman's tenure. As much as I'd love to see us go after guys like Eric Berry and/or Alshon Jeffrey, I honestly doubt it happens. However, maybe guys like Jonathan Cyprien and/or Robert Woods? Yeah, give me that.

DJax and I'm good haha

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The Patriots have good coaching and Tom Brady. They let their expensive FA's walk and pick up 2nd and 3rd tier guys and turn em into cogs in their machine.  They always draft late in the first.

So, coaching and an accurate QB.  This is the combo that NE uses, not buying up all FA's and high draft picks

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