Compensatory Picks Announced

[TheSpecialJuan]

[Icege]

If we trade up for Jamal Adams I'm going to the ER soon after for priaprim

[jasonluckydog]

With the 3rd pick Carolina selects Equanzo Gilbertoskli MLB from Scott Community College 

 

 

 

[Mr. Miagi]

Nice. Didn't think it was that high. 

 

Well, we'll get another one next year via KK. Sad. Good. 

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Miagi said:

Nice. Didn't think it was that high. 

 

Well, we'll get another one next year via KK. Sad. Good. 

hell, if we let KK walk as well, instead of giving us a compensatory 3rd rounder, the NFL should take away our 3rd just based off the pure stupidity of that decision. 

[KB_fan]

Sweet.

The Huddle is so much more fun when not in Gettle-bashing mode!

On the whole, I think the J-No craziness has worked out in our favor for the long-term, though it DID bite us in 2016 (the rookie learning curve, and perhaps some disruption in the locker room / team spirit).  I hated letting him go, but the price he wanted was a killer. 

Last offseason was tough and I definitely think Dave got complacent - didn't do enough in free agency and not enough competition / depth at a number of positions..  But I trust he's learned his lesson.

Here's hoping Dave makes us all happy again with this offseason and kills the draft with all these high picks.

[shaqattaq]

18 hours ago, Daeavorn said:

This is great news. With that pick in hand we have 4 solid picks in the top 100 so I bet you guys DG is gonna move up. 

Not to mention #115! That plus #72 could move us up to around 60 (I'm looking at you KC and GB). We could grab 3 day 1 starters, and still have another top 100 pick. I'm almost giddy.

[Ivan The Awesome]

19 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I would seriously consider trading this comp pick to the 49ers for LT Joe Staley.

Is he available via trade? 

[Nails]

Just now, Ivan The Awesome said:

Is he available via trade? 

He was last year.  The new regime was given six year contracts.  They're going nowhere in the short term.  Many suggest they skip this QB class altogether and wait for the better 2018 class.  Not to mention everyone is available for a price.  Dang skippy he's available.

[AU-panther]

As people talk about free agents you need to keep compensatory picks in mind.  A lot of these decisions don't happen in a vacuum.

For example trading for Staley or signing a tackle that has been cut could potentially net us a draft pick in the following year as opposed to singing a UFA such as Whitworth.

There are a lot of variables involved but in theory you could trade a 3rd for Staley this year and end up receiving a 4th next year depending on what else you do in free agency.

Here is a list of potential comp picks (UFAs) we have:

Short         -  $16m        -  3rd round pick

Addison     -  $6m-$8m  -  4th or 5th round pick

CJ              -  $5m-$7m  -  4th or 5th round pick

Klein          -  $3m-$5m  - 5th to 7th round pick

GInn          -   $3-$5m     - 5th to 7th round pick

Remmers   -  $3-$5m     -  5th to 7th round pick

The salary amounts are potential contracts that above players might get on open market.  Quick guesses on my part, I'm sure people will argue that some could be higher or lower (not really the point of this post).  I also included what round compensatory pick those contracts could net us based on this past year.

https://overthecap.com/draft

Also Fozzy, Love, Williams, Jones, and Griffin are all UFAs- complete list here:

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

If any of them were to sign a contracts >2m you could potentially get a draft pick from them.  I'm just not sure how many of them would sign for more than that.

If we resign any of these player you can cross the potential pick off the list.  Any time you sign a qualifying UFA you can also cross one of these potential picks off of the list.

I'm not saying we should sign free agents, you just have to include compensatory picks in your though process.  If you are looking at two potential players to add to your team and one is qualifying UFA and the other was cut by his team you have to consider the potential pick in the decision making process.

 

 

[KB_fan]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

As I posted above, compensatory picks are a way of life for the good drafting teams. I don't want to keep losing top guys, we need to sign Turner, Norwell and Star (I don't think we'll pay Short's demands) as those guys aren't in crazy $$$ positions. Norman, Short, Klein, etc. are guys who can help the team when they leave.

Honestly, I don't think we are going to be trading up this year since all of our picks are early in every round. I think the depth of the draft will help us to get more potential players. I don't mind trading up, but I think we are going to need a few more players than last year, depending on FAs.

Very much agree,  I also really hope we sign Turner, Norwell & Star.  My bet is that we tag KK and then wait to watch how Butler evolves...

Agree we're probably less likely to trade up picking 8th in every round, but of course, if there's some guy Dave loves who is falling, it's always possible.  5 picks in the top 115 is very exciting.

[Nails]

23 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

As people talk about free agents you need to keep compensatory picks in mind.  A lot of these decisions don't happen in a vacuum.

For example trading for Staley or signing a tackle that has been cut could potentially net us a draft pick in the following year as opposed to singing a UFA such as Whitworth.

There are a lot of variables involved but in theory you could trade a 3rd for Staley this year and end up receiving a 4th next year depending on what else you do in free agency.

Here is a list of potential comp picks (UFAs) we have:

Short         -  $16m        -  3rd round pick

Addison     -  $6m-$8m  -  4th or 5th round pick

CJ              -  $5m-$7m  -  4th or 5th round pick

Klein          -  $3m-$5m  - 5th to 7th round pick

GInn          -   $3-$5m     - 5th to 7th round pick

Remmers   -  $3-$5m     -  5th to 7th round pick

The salary amounts are potential contracts that above players might get on open market.  Quick guesses on my part, I'm sure people will argue that some could be higher or lower (not really the point of this post).  I also included what round compensatory pick those contracts could net us based on this past year.

https://overthecap.com/draft

Also Fozzy, Love, Williams, Jones, and Griffin are all UFAs- complete list here:

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

If any of them were to sign a contracts >2m you could potentially get a draft pick from them.  I'm just not sure how many of them would sign for more than that.

If we resign any of these player you can cross the potential pick off the list.  Any time you sign a qualifying UFA you can also cross one of these potential picks off of the list.

I'm not saying we should sign free agents, you just have to include compensatory picks in your though process.  If you are looking at two potential players to add to your team and one is qualifying UFA and the other was cut by his team you have to consider the potential pick in the decision making process.

 

 

Yep, I didn't think Whitworth would happen anyway since he's likely staying where he is, but now that the market has been somewhat saturated (which even helps saturate the trade market) with Beachum, Clady, and Okung, Whitworth really makes less sense at this point.

Still want Berry though, comp picks be damned.

[Nails]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Beachum is a great pickup if he's healthy since he was released, which means he's not a qualifying player and wouldn't count as a gain. He's also the best LT of the group based on age and previous play pre-ACL, with a big caveat. If he is back to healthy from the ACL injury. He's 27, so he should be able to get back to the 2014/2015 level.

Clady was also released. I don't know about Okung since the Broncos declined his option. I am not sure if that is a "release" but articles do call it that.

If we can find our long term (possibly Beachum) or short term LT without affecting our comp picks next year, that is ideal.

I'd be more than OK with Beachum.  I just want someone that's actually played LT and can be reasonably counted on.  Counting on Oher, praying Cam Robinson falls to 40, or other white knuckling BS is unacceptable.  I personally count Kalil in the latter.

[AU-panther]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Salary is normally the thing that sets the picks with a small % on playing time, etc., but man they definitely changed it up this year. When the guys who study the methodology predict a 5th for Pittsburgh and they get a 3rd or Denver doesn't get a 3rd for Osweiler and his $18M salary, they put some serious subjective pick determination.

All I know, is I hope Klein gets a starting gig and plays well. No idea who else we might lose, but I wish them well in their endeavors.

The guy at overthecap.com does a pretty good job of forecasting them considering he is basically reverse engineering the formula.  Here is what he said after the fact:

https://overthecap.com/evaluation-2017-compensatory-picks-projection/#more-13165

He also has a cancellation chart that sheds some light on why the picks were assigned like they were.

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Beachum is a great pickup if he's healthy since he was released, which means he's not a qualifying player and wouldn't count as a gain. He's also the best LT of the group based on age and previous play pre-ACL, with a big caveat. If he is back to healthy from the ACL injury. He's 27, so he should be able to get back to the 2014/2015 level.

Clady was also released. I don't know about Okung since the Broncos declined his option. I am not sure if that is a "release" but articles do call it that.

If we can find our long term (possibly Beachum) or short term LT without affecting our comp picks next year, that is ideal.

The declining of options definitely can be confusing.  Seems some teams are using options as a way to cut a player so that it doesn't count as a release but instead the contract expiring and the team therefore receives compensatory pick consideration for said players.  Here is an article that talks about it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/13/some-teams-are-using-option-years-to-enhance-compensatory-draft-picks/