Kevin Olsen charged with rape

[Pejorative Miscreant]

26 minutes ago, Snake said:

Fact is a bunch of women that actually get raped dont report it. Its like domestic abuse. Faults clams are common when a family or man has a bunch of money because he will be forced to settle.

Agree all the way.  But IMO this one feels like it's not a money grab.  Dude has some problems.  I like Greg Olsen and feel for him too but my mind won't let me give his bro the pass on this one.  

[Cj72]

I don't know all of the details nor do I know if he is guilty or not. I do know, either way, he is a dumb fug to get in the situation in the first place after all the trouble he's been in. 

[Bama Panther]

8 hours ago, Mage said:

I never said charges = guilty.  What charges do show, however, is they have SOME evidence regardless of how strong it may be.  You aren't going to get a charge through, especially with the level of Olsen's charges, without any evidence.  If you think it's possible, then I'm not the moron here.  So like I said, this isn't a case of Olsen merely being arrested.  They had enough evidence, HOWEVER STRONG IT MAY BE, to charge him.  It's far more likely he's guilty of some wrongdoing (ie. cyberstalking, which I would imagine is fairly easy to prove/find out) than it is he's completely innocent.

That doesn't mean I'm saying it's a guarantee he raped her.  Just that we need to stop acting like the possibility he's completely innocent is a strong possibility.

And do your research.  False rape accusations, contrary to what you may have been told, are not a frequent occurrence.  They rarely happen and happen no more than any other false crime report.  I don't know why people think there are millions of women out there who want people to think they are raped (even if they WERE raped, which is why the majority of sexual assaults do not get reported).

http://www.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297

http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

I say this with all due respect.  Please educate yourself. 

Your post brings up a couple points concerning our criminal justice system and sexual offenses. Let me first apologize for the length of this post, but I have to pipe in on this.

First, you insinuate he must be guilty of something based on the number and type of charges. That is exactly what police/prosecutors try to make people think based on charging. They add charges. They increase the severity of charges. They do these things to gain leverage over the accused, which is why many people continue to claim innocence even though they've pled guilty. They get scared of the piled on charges, the piled on length of confinement, etc, so they roll over. It is often the case when dealing with personal liberty and freedom, people are far less risk averse than they may be in other areas of life. Therefore, people take the surefire plea deal to lesser/fewer offenses for a guaranteed outcome than to face the unknown risk of challenging the charge(s).

So, the police/prosecutor obtains two goals. One, (s)he gets ordinary folks, who would make up the jury, to think the guy must be guilty of something. Two, (s)he gets the plea deal. 

The next point is this: evidence to charge is nowhere near evidence to prove someone committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. In reality, police/prosecutors often completely overlook exculpatory evidence when making a charging decision. They take the complaining witness's side of the story and run wth it, doing very little investigation to call the complaining witness's story into question. I guarantee if you were charged with a sexual offense, where only you and the complaining witness were present, you would want investigators to actually investigate the complaining witness and her story.

Many law enforcement agencies simply don't do that, and it is because people think things like, "why would a person make up rape." The presumption of innocence actually means we should ask, "why wouldn't a person make up rape, and until (s)he/the prosecutors prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that she's not making it up, he's not guilty."

I am firmly of the belief that attorneys don't win cases, the evidence does. I say that to get to this: over the past 1.5 years, I've tried sexual assault cases involving about 15 complaining witnesses (some cases had multiple complaining witnesses alleging sexual assault against the same guy), and I have yet to have a client found guilty of any sexual assault offense. It is precisely because of what I just said. Police/prosecutors take only one side of the evidence and run with it. When the other side comes to light, things change tremendously. 

In a case last month, a young lady alleged my client controlled her, told her she had no friends, fed her alcohol to effectuate sexually assaulting her, and then threatened her to keep her quiet. That is the story law enforcement/prosecutors got from her, believed, and ran with. An important point is that she conveniently deleted her Facebook messages with my client prior to making the allegations. 

Through investigation and speaking to my client, I was able to discover the entirety of their FB conversations. We had hundreds of messages throughout their three month relationship in which my client told her how awesome she was, told her about all the people who liked her, talked her out of depressive states, encouraged her, etc. When we presented that side of the story at trial, to contrast what the complaining witness said, her "story" became just that...a story. My client was quickly acquitted, as he should have been. 

[Mr. Scot]

Gotta laugh at any suggestion this is being done to get at Kevin Olsen's money.

Kevin Olsen is still a college player, and not exactly a terribly successful one, nor a hot NFL prospect (or any kind of NFL prospect, honestly).

And no, I don't see Greg paying off his accuser.

If you wanna claim this is false, you're gonna need a better angle than "gold digger".

[Cam's New Arm]

21 hours ago, Gazi said:

fug you

Lol

[csx]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gotta laugh at any suggestion this is being done to get at Kevin Olsen's money.

Kevin Olsen is still a college player, and not exactly a terribly successful one, nor a hot NFL prospect (or any kind of NFL prospect, honestly).

And no, I don't see Greg paying off his accuser.

If you wanna claim this is false, you're gonna need a better angle than "gold digger".

My God....people suggested those things?

 

[Cam's New Arm]

8 hours ago, MCC said:

I have no idea what that means

He was saying, based on your stance of allowing others to dictate your own opinions.. "..."

[ladypanther]

5 minutes ago, csx said:

My God....people suggested those things?

 

It is frightening [and sad] to read some of the things that have been posted in this thread.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Agree all the way.  But IMO this one feels like it's not a money grab.  Dude has some problems.  I like Greg Olsen and feel for him too but my mind won't let me give his bro the pass on this one.  

The courts will decide. I honestly hope it's fake to be honest. If not that's terrible and I hope he gets what he deserves.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gotta laugh at any suggestion this is being done to get at Kevin Olsen's money.

Kevin Olsen is still a college player, and not exactly a terribly successful one, nor a hot NFL prospect (or any kind of NFL prospect, honestly).

And no, I don't see Greg paying off his accuser.

If you wanna claim this is false, you're gonna need a better angle than "gold digger".

No one said that. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, Bama Panther said:

Your post brings up a couple points concerning our criminal justice system and sexual offenses. Let me first apologize for the length of this post, but I have to pipe in on this.

First, you insinuate he must be guilty of something based on the number and type of charges. That is exactly what police/prosecutors try to make people think based on charging. They add charges. They increase the severity of charges. They do these things to gain leverage over the accused, which is why many people continue to claim innocence even though they've pled guilty. They get scared of the piled on charges, the piled on length of confinement, etc, so they roll over. It is often the case when dealing with personal liberty and freedom, people are far less risk averse than they may be in other areas of life. Therefore, people take the surefire plea deal to lesser/fewer offenses for a guaranteed outcome than to face the unknown risk of challenging the charge(s).

So, the police/prosecutor obtains two goals. One, (s)he gets ordinary folks, who would make up the jury, to think the guy must be guilty of something. Two, (s)he gets the plea deal. 

The next point is this: evidence to charge is nowhere near evidence to prove someone committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. In reality, police/prosecutors often completely overlook exculpatory evidence when making a charging decision. They take the complaining witness's side of the story and run wth it, doing very little investigation to call the complaining witness's story into question. I guarantee if you were charged with a sexual offense, where only you and the complaining witness were present, you would want investigators to actually investigate the complaining witness and her story.

Many law enforcement agencies simply don't do that, and it is because people think things like, "why would a person make up rape." The presumption of innocence actually means we should ask, "why wouldn't a person make up rape, and until (s)he/the prosecutors prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that she's not making it up, he's not guilty."

I am firmly of the belief that attorneys don't win cases, the evidence does. I say that to get to this: over the past 1.5 years, I've tried sexual assault cases involving about 15 complaining witnesses (some cases had multiple complaining witnesses alleging sexual assault against the same guy), and I have yet to have a client found guilty of any sexual assault offense. It is precisely because of what I just said. Police/prosecutors take only one side of the evidence and run with it. When the other side comes to light, things change tremendously. 

In a case last month, a young lady alleged my client controlled her, told her she had no friends, fed her alcohol to effectuate sexually assaulting her, and then threatened her to keep her quiet. That is the story law enforcement/prosecutors got from her, believed, and ran with. An important point is that she conveniently deleted her Facebook messages with my client prior to making the allegations. 

Through investigation and speaking to my client, I was able to discover the entirety of their FB conversations. We had hundreds of messages throughout their three month relationship in which my client told her how awesome she was, told her about all the people who liked her, talked her out of depressive states, encouraged her, etc. When we presented that side of the story at trial, to contrast what the complaining witness said, her "story" became just that...a story. My client was quickly acquitted, as he should have been. 

On the flip,side there are a bunch of bad men who use lawyers to drag a vics name though the mud and make them vics once again. Our justice system is truly set up for the bad people.

[Mr. Scot]

28 minutes ago, Snake said:

No one said that. 

 

3 hours ago, Snake said:

Fact is a bunch of women that actually get raped dont report it. Its like domestic abuse. Faults clams are common when a family or man has a bunch of money because he will be forced to settle.

 

[Mr. Scot]

10 hours ago, RickyManningJr said:

First I think how much money did Hardy's girl end up with? Think maybe she is chasing cash.

Then you think about him getting kicked off of four football teams and the cyber stalking charges and think WTF.

Then I think about Greg's U 7th floor  crew song when I think about this guy ruining Greg's image.

Then I think F this B she is probably lying.

 

[LxDunn]

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