DG gonna start showing people the money?

[t96]

36 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

Him playing in that game would have increased his chances of suffering a 3rd concussion though, albeit only slightly.

No it wouldn't have. His chances of having a 3rd concussion are no different in the first game of next season than they would have been if we let him play this season. If you mean increased chances because he plays in more games than yes technically, but he'll be playing whatever number of games he plays anyways. Not really increasing the chances.

 

I understand the decision, it's just not one I would've made. And I guarantee you if we had any reasonable shot at the playoffs (like even 10% or a higher, instead of needing to win out AND have like 5 other teams lose or tie certain games or whatever the outrageous odds were) that Luke would've been playing. Even if it were a long shot, as long as it wasn't essentially impossible with needing a tie and other losses he would've been in.

[Ricky Spanish]

56 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Umm no. Luke was cleared. Him playing in those games was no more a threat to his health than playing the start of this upcoming season. There's no logical reason to sit him there if you're still trying your hardest to win games. He should've been playing. I'm not happy about it even though it helped result in our 8th overall pick, but it's just the reality of the situation.

I don't think he thought about it and fell on purpose but I think he checked out that game, just like most of the NFL players playing in meaningless games that week. Fringe players may play their hearts out in a meaningless week 17 game but not vets who have no reason to. Better to not get hurt.

I'm sorry but you're just wrong on this

Yes he cleared the concussion protocol, but the protocol in the grand scheme of things is a joke pertaining to CTE in the long run. He had two bad concussions within one year of each other. That's not good. Sending him out and risking another head injury in such a short period of time would not only jeopardize his career, but his life as well. 

Head injuries are no joke, that's why it's always best to err on the side of caution. Having multiple concussions, especially concussions on the level that Luke sustained over such a short period of time, is not good for your brain, and sending him right back out there again with all the new information on head injuries that we now have at our disposal, would have been completely irresponsible. The only thing that can heal a concussion is time, and if you hit your head too many times within a short period of time, it might not ever actually heal. That's why he was sitting. It wasn't to tank, it was for his own safety. 

There's a reason that many of the previous generation of football greats are dying early, developing dementia at early ages, and killing themselves, and it is becoming more and more apparent that it has a ton to do with them repeatedly banging their brains against their skulls with no one to tell them to stop. 

[The Lobo]

47 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

I think we are actually forced to spend money this season.  We are near the bottom of that 4 years cap minimum spending rule that I don't understand. 

I think so too. I believe the tweet said DG is instructed to do so, here's to hoping.

[Dex]

wait.... what if we get a TE in the draft and bring in a veteran safety?

[uncfan888]

Just now, Dex said:

wait.... what if we get a TE in the draft and bring in a veteran safety?

this is what i'd prefer to do. I've made several threads about it. oh wait.. that wasn't me

[t96]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

I'm sorry but you're just wrong on this

Yes he cleared the concussion protocol, but the protocol in the grand scheme of things is a joke pertaining to CTE in the long run. He had two bad concussions within one year of each other. That's not good. Sending him out and risking another head injury in such a short period of time would not only jeopardize his career, but his life as well. 

Head injuries are no joke, that's why it's always best to err on the side of caution. Having multiple concussions, especially concussions on the level that Luke sustained over such a short period of time, is not good for your brain, and sending him right back out there again with all the new information on head injuries that we now have at our disposal, would have been completely irresponsible. The only thing that can heal a concussion is time, and if you hit your head too many times within a short period of time, it might not ever actually heal. That's why he was sitting. It wasn't to tank, it was for his own safety. 

There's a reason that many of the previous generation of football greats are dying early, developing dementia at early ages, and killing themselves, and it is becoming more and more apparent that it has a ton to do with them repeatedly banging their brains against their skulls with no one to tell them to stop. 

Where do you draw the line? This is all a bunch of nonsense. Playing Luke at the end of this past season is no different than playing him next year. How about we have him sit next year? He wanted to play, he understands what the situation with his own health is. Of course the safety of each player and their brains is a concern but that's part of the sport, and the players know it. If Luke wanted to stop playing because of it I'd respect that decision of his. But if he, understanding the risks and what has already happened, wants to keep playing then let him. There's no real evidence that says he's any more at risk in the couple weeks after he's already been cleared than a year later or two years later. Sitting him now but not later is a contradiction, not any different than letting Hardy play one week and then forcing him to sit the rest of the year which was ridiculous.

[Dex]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

Where do you draw the line? This is all a bunch of nonsense. Playing Luke at the end of this past season is no different than playing him next year. How about we have him sit next year? He wanted to play, he understands what the situation with his own health is. Of course the safety of each player and their brains is a concern but that's part of the sport, and the players know it. If Luke wanted to stop playing because of it I'd respect that decision of his. But if he, understanding the risks and what has already happened, wants to keep playing then let him. There's no real evidence that says he's any more at risk in the couple weeks after he's already been cleared than a year later or two years later. Sitting him now but not later is a contradiction, not any different than letting Hardy play one week and then forcing him to sit the rest of the year which was ridiculous.

Giving the brain time to heal would benefit his overall health. But I'm just an epileptic who's had multiple concussions over the years. So take that with a grain of salt.

[AU-panther]

59 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

I think we are actually forced to spend money this season.  We are near the bottom of that 4 years cap minimum spending rule that I don't understand. 

 

11 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I think so too. I believe the tweet said DG is instructed to do so, here's to hoping.

The last 4 year period for that just ended in 2016.  We are at the beginning of the next cycle.

For all practical purposes the minimum spending rule is irrelevant right now.

 

[The Lobo]

6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

The last 4 year period for that just ended in 2016.  We are at the beginning of the next cycle.

For all practical purposes the minimum spending rule is irrelevant right now.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I hope we spend it regardless.

[uncfan888]

8 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

The last 4 year period for that just ended in 2016.  We are at the beginning of the next cycle.

For all practical purposes the minimum spending rule is irrelevant right now.

 

That's what I thought

[t96]

2 minutes ago, Dex said:

Giving the brain time to heal would benefit his overall health. But I'm just an epileptic who's had multiple concussions over the years. So take that with a grain of salt.

It will heal if he doesn't get another concussion. And the chances of him getting another concussion are the same next year as they were when we sat him. Like I've said I understand the decision but please realize that the fact that we had essentially no shot at the playoffs played a big part in the decision. If winning out and having one or two other teams losing once in 2 weeks would've got us in the playoffs, Luke would've been playing. And if that's the case, then he should've been playing regardless if the team was trying their hardest to win every game, which is why I think they weren't. And that's fine, some people think that's the best way to go at the end of lost seasons, and it helped lead to us getting the 8th pick which will have an impact going forward. I just don't share that opinion.

[Snake]

Hope this is true but BBR has been wrong before.

[Mr. Miagi]

So we're going after Shiloh Keo at SS

[Ricky Spanish]

57 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

It will heal if he doesn't get another concussion. And the chances of him getting another concussion are the same next year as they were when we sat him. Like I've said I understand the decision but please realize that the fact that we had essentially no shot at the playoffs played a big part in the decision. If winning out and having one or two other teams losing once in 2 weeks would've got us in the playoffs, Luke would've been playing. And if that's the case, then he should've been playing regardless if the team was trying their hardest to win every game, which is why I think they weren't. And that's fine, some people think that's the best way to go at the end of lost seasons, and it helped lead to us getting the 8th pick which will have an impact going forward. I just don't share that opinion.

The most recent studies say the exact OPPOSITE of this:

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Importantly, even if the effects of the initial brain injury have already resolved (6-18 mo post injury), the effect of multiple concussions over time remains significant and can result in long-term neurologic and functional deficits. These multiple brain insults can still be termed repetitive head injury syndrome, but they do not fit the classification of SIS. True SIS would most likely have a devastating outcome.

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Likewise, the autopsies of 2 former professional football players with a history multiple concussions demonstrated changes that were consistent with chronic encephalopathy. ^[5, 6] Another investigation of retired professional football players showed a 3-fold increase of depression in players with a history of 3 or more concussions. ^[3] Older studies of American and Australian rules football showed no effect from repetitive mild head injuries. ^[11] However, more recent studies of collegiate football players showed an association between multiple concussions and reduced cognitive performance, prolonged recovery, and the increased likelihood of subsequent concussions.

Another one

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As discussed in Chapter 2, there is some evidence from both animal studies and research involving humans that the brain is at increased risk while recovering from a concussion. Thus, a repeat injury while recovering from a prior concussion may occur with less force, take longer to resolve, and in rare cases lead to catastrophic results (e.g., second impact syndrome) (Bey and Ostick, 2009; Simma et al., 2013, Slobounov et al., 2007). Indeed, this is the purpose of the advice “When in doubt, sit them out” (McCrory et al., 2013). A related concern is the effect of a history of concussions on cognition and brain physiology. In a retrospective survey of 223 high school athletes, 20 percent reported a history of at least one concussion (Moser et al., 2005), suggesting that many youth sustain multiple concussions over the course of their athletic careers.

 

I have absolutely no problem with resting Luke, for his own safety, if it's week 10 of an undefeated season compared to week 10 of last year. He's had multiple head injuries in a short amount of time, and the more and more research done into the topic shows just how dangerous it actually is. We don't want another Dan Morgan, or god forbid, another Juniour Seau situation. It's why I seriously would rather Oher just retire if his concussion was as bad as it was. There's more important things in this world than football. I'd rather these guys didn't kill themselves for my entertainment.