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Will Fournette fall to 8 if no QBs are taken?

t96

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4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

What? They believe they can win now? It took the best Fitzpatrick and Marshall had just to get to 10-6 in 2015 and still not make the playoffs. Their team took a huge step back in 2016. Finishing 5-11 and 4th place in your division is not a win now (insert Panther jokes here, but not remotely similar).

Also, Hackenberg is awful. Last season there were multiple reports saying that he looked awful. Bryce Petty got hurt late in the season with a couple weeks left and 0 playoff hopes and he didn't even sniff the field. That should tell you something. I don't care if they took him in the 2nd, he was a huge reach based on all the reports/post draft discussions and he is clearly not their future.

If they are stupid enough to go for a veteran and hope Hackenberg makes a miracle recovery, then I'll predict now that Bowles doesn't make it the whole season.

Your talking about the Jets......

 

In a perfect world they would have a fire sale and start rebuilding but you know that's not gonna happen . Bowles will be coaching for his job next season he's not gonna put in the hands of a rookie. Look at their core players it's a bunch of 30 year olds ready wanting to win now. Hackenberg is trash but the Jets don't care, they're a stubborn franchise.

 

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1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

1. Cleveland

2. San Francisco

3. Chicago

4. Jacksonville

5. Tennessee

6. New York (Jets)

7. Los Angeles (Chargers)

 

These are the teams that stand in our way, ignoring possibility of other teams trading up (who would trade up for a HB?)...

One by one:

Cleveland at first overall is theoretically a possibility to take Fournette, but realistically there is zero percent chance they go for him there. The team has way too many needs and it would be very very hard to argue that Fournette is the best player in this draft over Garrett, Allen, etc. Especially at a position that is not valued nearly as much as other positions these days.

San Francisco is also theoretically a possibility but I would say it's extremely unlikely they consider him at 2. Once again, too many needs on both sides of the ball and more importantly they do have Carlos Hyde in place. It's possible they view Fournette as a top 2 player in the draft and that Shanahan and Lynch may not love Hyde with his injury concerns or in his ZBS, but I doubt that would be the case, so realistically this won't happen.

Chicago won't take him. Jordan Howard exploded onto the scene last year and is locked in as their guy. They have a huge need at both safety spots and have Hooker or Adams written all over them. Zero chance for Fournette.

Jacksonville is a real threat to folks here wanting Fournette. I look at their team and think what do they want to do early in the draft? It's not really clear. Their defense is very young and has a lot of great pieces in place, while their offense was a mess last year. More because of Bortles' struggles than the running back position but taking a franchise player like Fournette to take pressure off of Bortles would be a good way to help him out. OL is the big issue there but no top 5 prospects this year for them to go for. What makes me think they won't take Fournette is the deal they gave to Chris Ivory last year and their drafting of TJ Yeldon. The defense still could use some pieces as well and I think that they go that route on the DL. Looking at the Jags forum, most fans don't see them going HB at 4. So I consider this possible but unlikely.

Tennessee zero chance. With Murray and Henry, Fournette is not in play.

New York is the other threat, but they have a ton of holes on both sides of the ball, and may have even more if they release both Marshall and Decker which has been suggested by some beat writers. They have major needs at corner and safety and I anticipate that's the direction they go here. Another thing to consider is how they've utilized their backs with Bowles there... Forte and Powell have both been utilized tremendously in the passing game. Fournette doens't fit with that at all. If they do indeed look to go HB here I would bet they look at Cook over Fournette. 

Los Angeles again, zero chance. With Melvin Gordon drafted in the first now coming on there's no chance of Fournette being considered by them.

 

So really no team jumps out as being a really clear destination for Fournette until we're on the clock, and only two before us are really even possibilities for him. Other GMs could think BPA, but that is affected by the current roster. For many of these teams drafting Fournette would be like us drafting Foster at 8 with Luke here (which isn't happening regardless of the talk around here). And while it's possible the Jags or Jets go for Fournette I think it's significantly more likely they look at other positions first. 

And if teams do indeed see any of these QB prospects as top 7 picks and one or more are taken, that'll only make it more likely he falls.

If we want Fournette, he'll be a Panther.

2016 Rushing leaders                Draft pick

1. Ezekiel Elliot                            Round 1- pick 4

2. Jordan Howard                        Round 5- pick 150

3. Demarco Murray                     Round 3- pick 71

4. Jay Ajayi                                  Round 5- pick 149

5. Le'Veon Bell                            Round 2- pick 48

6. LeSean McCoy                       Round 2- pick 53

7. David Johnson                        Round 3- pick 86

8. LeGarrette Blount                   Undrafted

9. Devonta Freeman                  Round 4- pick 103

10. Lamar Miller                         Round 4- pick 97

 

Can someone explain to me why we should use our 8th overall pick on a RB? The only team in the playoffs last year that used a first round pick on a RB was the Dallas Cowboys.  We don't have their offensive line.  Their offensive line is amazing and they invested heavily in them.  That same offensive line made Demarco Murray the league's leading rusher and that didn't push them over the hump.  They finally played good defense and had consistent QB play last year, and that seemed to make the real difference.  There is a reason RBs are going in the first round less and less, and I don't think its because colleges just aren't producing talent at that position.  Just look at the list i gave above.  NFL teams are looking around and getting smarter.  Its all about the offensive line.  Can someone explain to me why we need to take a running back with the 8th overall pick when almost all of the consistent playoff teams/superbowl teams and leading rushers aren't first round picks?  

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11 minutes ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

There will be some QB's for sure.  The first three need QB help in a big way.

Still doesn't mean he will be around, or if he is around that we'll actually take him.

Damn I wish I were a college QB right now.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Mitch friggin Trubisky go #1.  LMAO.

The quality of both quarterback and O-Line play in college is way down from prior years. Not so much due to the athletes themselves I think as much as the predominant systems being run at that level.

Sucks, but it's true that a college coach's primary job is to win games, not prepare his players for the NFL.

So what can ya do?

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11 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

They believe they can win now?  With what roster on defense?  They can't win poo now.  Their secondary is atrocious.  

They believed in Fitzpatrick enough to bring him back, again don't under estimate the Jets delusional thinking.

 

I actually think the Jets have a talented defense but they quit halfway the the season when they noticed the offense was god awful.

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6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I actually think the Jets have a talented defense but they quit halfway the the season when they noticed the offense was god awful.

They let him go this year.  They realized Fitz was trash, there are no QBs in free agency that can have them win now.  And their secondary is downright horrendous.  Revis has to move to Safety because he's lost a step.  That's how bad it is back there.  

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21 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

They let him go this year.  They realized Fitz was trash, there are no QBs in free agency that can have them win now.  And their secondary is downright horrendous.  Revis has to move to Safety because he's lost a step.  That's how bad it is back there.  

Romo if he stays healthy 

 

Either way I still think they go Fournette if the jags don't draft him

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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I don't get SF needing a RB with Hyde. He had 988 yards and 4.6ypc. He did get hurt, but he was a bright spot on offense. They have way too many holes on D to pick Fournette as a luxury over Hyde.

Fournette is a awesome talent and SF will need a strong run game. If Hyde goes down its over.

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