Jimmy Garroppolo

[t96]

9 minutes ago, SOJA said:

For New England it's a no brainer in my mind. The Pats are in the ultimate win now mode. They know they probably have three years left of Brady. Trading Jimmy might hurt in them in the longterm but boosts their short term drastically. 

 

I'd be wary but if you're a team like Cleveland, what do you have to lose. You probably were drafting a bust with that pick anyways. 

The Patriots are a win whenever team as long as Belichick there. Brady could retire today and I'd consider the Patriots the favorite to make it in the AFC by a long shot even with Jimmy G. QB is a plug and play position in NE under Belichick. If Belichick plans on retiring when Brady does, then I agree but I doubt that's the case. He doesn't want his legacy solely connected to a QB who mostly everybody thinks is the best ever.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Brady's play will drop off in the next year or two, and it'll be an immediate huge drop off, not a gradual one. That's what happens with old QBs. Favre was the best QB in the league with the Vikings his last year there and all of a sudden after that, the worst. Peyton was the best in '13 and '14 and in '15, the worst. Brady's no different. It may come a little bit later than those QBs but no matter how well you've mastered the position, when you lose your arm, you're done. I bet Brady is retired at this time in 2 years.

He looked good the first couple games this year that's true, but I'd be extremely weary. Every QB under Belichick in NE has looked not only good, but great. That's why I'm far from convinced Brady's even a top 5 QB, let alone the GOAT. Yes he's won the most and is clearly a HoF and one of the best of his generation, but what other QBs had such a great head coach? Belichick can make almost any QB a Hall of Famer, if you ask me. And I'd probably admire the guy if he weren't a cheating scumbag. Makes you wonder why, when he's so good at coaching, he felt the need to go beyond the rules.

So...I take it you don't buy the whole narrative that Brady is taking care of his body.

James Harrison, at a much physically tougher position, credits his physical and dietary regimen for his extraordinary play as well. 

Brees says he ain't stopping anytime soon either. 

It's not like Favre's arm fell off a cliff. He just didn't want to put in the work anymore. Seems to me that a willingness to put in the work is the difference. Did you see Harrison lifting after that first playoff game when he should have been dead tired? Incredible!

[t96]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

So...I take it you don't buy the whole narrative that Brady is taking care of his body.

James Harrison, at a much physically tougher position, credits his physical and dietary regimen for his extraordinary play as well. 

Brees says he ain't stopping anytime soon either. 

It's not like Favre's arm fell off a cliff. He just didn't want to put in the work anymore. Seems to me that a willingness to put in the work is the difference. Did you see Harrison lifting after that first playoff game when he should have been dead tired? Incredible!

Father time stops for no one, no matter the physical or dietary routine. Do you really think Brady or Harrison takes care of his body better than every other top player whose body broke down on them? These guys are professional athletes, some who are among the top 50 at their job in the history of the game. Of course there are players who don't take care of their body the way they could but there are also players who do exactly what Brady and Harrison are supposedly doing (not the exact routine but you know what I mean). Some people's bodies of course hold up longer and that may be the case with Brady and already is the case with Harrison, but it's not enough of a difference that will allow Brady, or Brees who you mentioned, to play nearly as long as they think they will. I'm sure Peyton had no thoughts of his body breaking down on him and basically being forced to retire after the '14 season. Maybe with Brady it'll come in 2 or 3 years instead of next year, but I think there is zero chance he plays past his current contract which is through 2019. And very likely he's done in the next 2 years.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Brady plans to play for another five years. That's an eternity in the NFL, but I get your point.

Jimmy G looks good though.

39 is still 39. Father Time is undefeated. I very seriously doubt Brady plays five more seasons despite his plans. Evidently his wife was pushing him to retire after the Super Bowl. 

[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Father time stops for no one, no matter the physical or dietary routine. Do you really think Brady or Harrison takes care of his body better than every other top player whose body broke down on them? These guys are professional athletes, some who are among the top 50 at their job in the history of the game. Of course there are players who don't take care of their body the way they could but there are also players who do exactly what Brady and Harrison are supposedly doing (not the exact routine but you know what I mean). Some people's bodies of course hold up longer and that may be the case with Brady and already is the case with Harrison, but it's not enough of a difference that will allow Brady, or Brees who you mentioned, to play nearly as long as they think they will. I'm sure Peyton had no thoughts of his body breaking down on him and basically being forced to retire after the '14 season. Maybe with Brady it'll come in 2 or 3 years instead of next year, but I think there is zero chance he plays past his current contract which is through 2019. And very likely he's done in the next 2 years.

Should've read this before I replied. Yeah, basically what he said.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

The Patriots are a win whenever team as long as Belichick there. Brady could retire today and I'd consider the Patriots the favorite to make it in the AFC by a long shot even with Jimmy G. QB is a plug and play position in NE under Belichick. If Belichick plans on retiring when Brady does, then I agree but I doubt that's the case. He doesn't want his legacy solely connected to a QB who mostly everybody thinks is the best ever.

I wouldn't.  I think BB is a great coach, but as a head coach, he has made the playoffs all of one time without Brady in the backfield and his record without Brady, (even if you don't count the Cleveland years) is barely above 500.  I was impressed with them going 3-1 this year without Brady, and they might make the playoffs without him, but I don't think they will win the AFC even if Brady is healthy next year.   I think the AFC SB team will come out of the AFC west.

 

Regarding Garapalo, I am not sure what I would do.  Whether you draft a qb, or trade for one, their is a pretty decent chance it will not pan out. 

 

If I am the Bears, maybe I trade for Garapolo and don't require him to extend.  And I draft Watson or one of the other qb's in the draft. The QB is such a critical position, that it might be worth it to double down.  If Garapolo turns out to be good, then I sign him long term.  If Watson turns out to the bet better of the two, I drop Garapolo ASAP and go with Watson.    

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tim Brady is 39 years old. If Belichick thought Garoppolo was anything special, he wouldn't be willing to trade him. The fact that he is willing to trade him tells me that Belichick knows he's nothing special and he can just draft another one.

Agreed, Belechick sold his soul to the devil long ago for omniscient football knowledge and a sleeveless hoodie. If garopolo was an eventual starter, he'd be staying in NE.  The 4 games he played, and did well in, aren't enough data to tell me otherwise.  If I were the Browns, I might consider trading the 33rd pick for him, and load up on Defense at 1 and 12.  

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Agreed, Belechick sold his soul to the devil long ago for omniscient football knowledge and a sleeveless hoodie. If garopolo was an eventual starter, he'd be staying in NE.  The 4 games he played, and did well in, aren't enough data to tell me otherwise.  If I were the Browns, I might consider trading the 33rd pick for him, and load up on Defense at 1 and 12.  

Honestly, that wouldn't be a terrible plan for the Browns... which means they're probably very unlikely to pursue it. LOL! Belichick would know he was dealing with the dumbest, most unlucky franchise in the NFL. He'd push them to at least get #12. Likely #12 and more

[Manos]

No way he is worth more than a high second and a 4th. Knowing the Browns they will trade both firsts for him because they are that incompetent.

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[thefuzz]

Never trade for a QB from Andy's or Bill's system.

 

It's not that hard to figure out, and these personnel men cannot help themselves.  That said, if you don't have a QB, your job as a GM or HC may not last all that long.

[mc52beast]

Dude only has a couple starts and got hurt, wouldn't call that being proven...

Houston thought that guy from Denver was proven and look what happened... getting paid like a top tier qb but is average at best.

[Mr. Scot]

Brady plays a position where guys can play a little longer than average, provided they don't take too much punishment.

As long as he's protected, good. But the older he gets, the more damage any big hits he takes will do.

[Shotgun]

I would give a 5th rounder but we dont need him.

[SOJA]

4 hours ago, thomas96 said:

The Patriots are a win whenever team as long as Belichick there. Brady could retire today and I'd consider the Patriots the favorite to make it in the AFC by a long shot even with Jimmy G. QB is a plug and play position in NE under Belichick. If Belichick plans on retiring when Brady does, then I agree but I doubt that's the case. He doesn't want his legacy solely connected to a QB who mostly everybody thinks is the best ever.

I'm sorry but did they when the Superbowl with Cassell at the helm?

QB is never a plug and play position, teams catch on after a few games. Darth Hoodie is the best coach of all time, but don't undermine Brady's importance. He is the GOAT.