Film Review requests?

[t96]

I've got some time in the next couple weeks where I'm going to be doing some film review on NFL Gamepass of Panthers players, schemes and to a lesser degree outside free agents I would like us to target or think we could target. Some specific things I'm already planning to look at include:

-Shula's running scheme in 2013 to now

-Tolbert's involvement as a blocker

-Free agent FBs, particularly run blocking and pass protection

-Funchess and Brown (are they getting open when not targeted but Cam doesn't see them or the protection doesn't give him time to look past KB/Olsen/Ginn as earlier reads in the play call? I'm not so convinced WRs are that big of an issue on offense and I think looking closely at what goes on with these two will give me a lot more info to work with regarding the position outlook.

 

So my question is is there anything you folks would like me to look at specifically? It'll be tough to look at our secondary without understanding the zones called on any particular play but I can look at DL, OL, TEs, ST, etc. Throw some ideas at me so I can think about and plan out what I will look at and I'll start posting my results as they come in.

[Ricky Spanish]

Compare blitz pickup and overall line play between the starters and non starts, and even the backups compared to when they first come in to where they had been playing for a bit so people have a better understanding of just how important it is to have a healthy unit that is familiar with each other on the O-Line

That and Cam. I'd be interested to see just how much he regressed last season, if he was missing open guys, forcing bad throws, missing reads, etc. 

[CarolinaSock]

Further expanding on the wide receivers. I'm curious if the supposed lack of separation is a constant thing or if the receivers are getting separation but not the ball at the opportune time. Also how often are we really passing with no short options?

[Saca312]

Really interested to know if our front was truly dominant or if it really was a product of blitzing. Whether our pressure came from extra men / designed blitz' or not.

Also would like to know the radical improvement and play of Daryl Williams and Tyler Larsen when they played and how well they did. I believe Daryl Williams did pretty well - would love to see his overall play against Vic Beasley specifically, and whatever other games he played in. Tyler Larsen brought about some stability, and I'd love to know how well he specifically did.

If you're also looking at other teams, would like to see Cyprien up close. I believe he could be one of the most underrated Strong Safeties out there. He could be a pickup. Also look for some other solid slot receivers we could target.

Of course, I'd also like to know exactly how Short has all of a sudden became dominant in the second half of the season, along with Addison. I'd also like to see if Ealy truly has regressed or if he's being noticed way too much. 

Lastly, look at the 2nd Atlanta game this season. I truly think we lost because our linebackers couldn't keep up without Luke, and that could determine whether or not Shaq Thompson gets more snaps for TD if he has truly slowed down. I hate to say it, but it does appear TD isn't as fast as he used to be.

 

 

[top dawg]

Since we're talking about HBs, take a gander at how many times Stew was in and asked to pass block (as opposed to running or being Cam's primary read on passing downs). Like I said in the other thread, his blocking is understated and kind of integegral to the success of the offense.

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

Also how often are we really passing with no short options?

Do you mean how many times Cam is holding onto the ball too long and forcing longer throws into coverage as opposed to hitting the open man on shorter routes? 

 

[t96]

2 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Compare blitz pickup and overall line play between the starters and non starts, and even the backups compared to when they first come in to where they had been playing for a bit so people have a better understanding of just how important it is to have a healthy unit that is familiar with each other on the O-Line

That and Cam. I'd be interested to see just how much he regressed last season, if he was missing open guys, forcing bad throws, missing reads, etc. 

I wasn't planning on looking at Cam very much because QB you can look at pretty well during broadcasts without needing coach's tape (same with HB) and what I was seeing this year vs. last was not pretty. Many factors there of course but Cam got back into some 2014 habits and I put that coming back on Dorsey who I wish would've been fired.

Most noticeably, Cam would feel a lot of pressure that wasn't there; this probably started as a result of having so much pressure with Bell at LT, poor guard play and Chandler at RT in '14. Him feeling this pressure that wasn't there would result in him completely ignoring his mechanics. He wouldn't be standing up straight and sitting in there calm when throwing, he'd be throwing off his back foot and missing guys or forcing a throw earlier than he needed instead of going through his reads.

I mean this really may have been as bad as '14 from Cam, and I hated seeing it after the spectacular 2015. And the line was still hugely better than it was in '14 so it wasn't exactly a result of our o-line. Against Denver in the SB and then again in the 2nd half of the opener this year I think just got in his head and affected his play the rest of the year. There's blame to go around but I think the biggest problem for this is the coaching, starting with Dorsey and Shula. 

[t96]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Do you mean how many times Cam is holding onto the ball too long and forcing longer throws into coverage as opposed to hitting the open man on shorter routes? 

 

I think he means how many plays we run where all the routes are downfield. And I will say right now to that, that's extremely rare, if it even happens. The large majority of plays at the very least a RB or Olsen will kick out, either after chipping or without chipping at all. Can't speak much specifically on short routes for WRs but I will take a look at that.

 

And top dawg, in response to your Stew post I will look but I think that essentially whenever he's on the field on a pass play, he's staying in for blitz pickup or to help double an edge rusher. I don't think I've ever seen him run a designed route. Lot of times he stays in to block and there's no assignment for him so he kicks out as a check down option. And you're right that is a crucial part of our offense, and probably the only thing that Fournette would really need to get up to speed on before being a 3 down back for us, if we are to draft him.

[panther4life]

DE play. Ealy and Addison especially.

Dont waste time on Tolbert. He sucks and has sucked for a while. 

[t96]

4 minutes ago, panther4life said:

DE play. Ealy and Addison especially.

Dont waste time on Tolbert. He sucks and has sucked for a while. 

More looking at the extent to which we ask Tolbert to block, not so much how good he is at it. 

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

More looking at the extent to which we ask Tolbert to block, not so much how good he is at it. 

Got ya. I think you'll find we use him to pass block and run routes more than as an actual run blocker. 

[t96]

Just now, panther4life said:

Got ya. I think you'll find we use him to pass block and run routes more than as an actual run blocker. 

The past two years with how much we've used the read option with Stew I think this is true, but I think I'll also find that we use him more than many here expect, especially considering how bad I think he is. But back in '13 Shula's first year here we had a more traditional run game with D-Will and I think we used Tolbert as a lead blocker a lot then. Used Brockel as well though.

Really am mainly looking at Shula's run game these past several years and thinking about Ron's comments about not wanting Cam running which to me indicates a major change in the run game coming, getting rid of the childish read option nonsense and moving to a more traditional run game. With the options at FB in free agency and the possibility of getting Fournette this could be a huge and redeeming move for Shula and the offense. The question is can Shula make it work if this is what we do? I don't like Shula but I do have hope for this. After looking at the film that hope will either switch to anticipation or prayer. We shall see.

[top dawg]

34 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

I wasn't planning on looking at Cam very much because QB you can look at pretty well during broadcasts without needing coach's tape (same with HB) and what I was seeing this year vs. last was not pretty. Many factors there of course but Cam got back into some 2014 habits and I put that coming back on Dorsey who I wish would've been fired.

Most noticeably, Cam would feel a lot of pressure that wasn't there; this probably started as a result of having so much pressure with Bell at LT, poor guard play and Chandler at RT in '14. Him feeling this pressure that wasn't there would result in him completely ignoring his mechanics. He wouldn't be standing up straight and sitting in there calm when throwing, he'd be throwing off his back foot and missing guys or forcing a throw earlier than he needed instead of going through his reads.

I mean this really may have been as bad as '14 from Cam, and I hated seeing it after the spectacular 2015. And the line was still hugely better than it was in '14 so it wasn't exactly a result of our o-line. Against Denver in the SB and then again in the 2nd half of the opener this year I think just got in his head and affected his play the rest of the year. There's blame to go around but I think the biggest problem for this is the coaching, starting with Dorsey and Shula. 

I already know you disagree, but I just can't put some things on the coaches. It's kind of like I said yesterday with the receivers, how can you really blame the position coach for lack of player execution, especially when they've shown results before, and, more importantly, if the OC and HC aren't necessarily putting players in the best position to succeed? Moreover, the thing is, unlike two receivers in their Sophomore season, Cam is a veteran QB who doesn't have the excuse of being green in any type of way. He was the reigning MVP for goodness' sakes. Dorsey took a raw Cam and helped him to get there. Cam should be beyond the point now where any coach, especially one that has been in his ear for so long, should have to harp on him about his mechanics. He is experienced enough to know that you can't consistently get away with throwing off your back foot in this league. No one should have to beat anything into his head anymore regarding throwing the ball away. He should know not to force balls into coverage. Going through his reads and making the proper read should be natural now. Cam, particularly as the QB, should be executing certain fundamentals as a matter of course. Cam has basically showed steady progress through his career, and I attribute that to good coaching, so why the sudden dropoff? The retrogression points to him, not Dorsey.

Now if you just want to simply say that Cam just needs a change, then maybe I could see it, but you may not get the results you're looking for, as Cam may retrogress even more due to lack of continuity and/or familiarity, but that may be a risk worth taking. But between Cam's noticeable change in demeanor, Shula's play calling and Rivera's management,  I don't necessarily think that Dorsey should be the fall guy.

 

[Chaos]

If you are looking at the all 22 film, find out what percentage of our offensive plays was Rivera in a coma.