Eagles ask Jason Peters to take pay cut

[Snake]

If this happens I'm sure Gman would pay well. A signing like this would at least put us in the playoffs because cams blindside would be locked down and the run game could go both ways. 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, CarolinaSock said:

People do realize if Peters hits the market you could be in a bidding war with half a dozen other teams right? There are 32 starting left tackle spots and nowhere near 32 starter quality tackles in the league.

And because of this you just have to understand you have to overpay for a quality tackle.  Even in the draft they tend to go higher then they should.  

Doing anything less is a gamble (Oher and Bell).  Oher worked decent and Bell not so much.  I would prefer to spend a little extra and increase my odds.

We could easily absorb his contract and still have plenty to resign our other guys.  

Also if he is traded for or released that wouldn't count against the compensatory pick formula.  

[Nails]

6 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

The Huddle doesn't seem to realize we gotta re-sign and lock up some of our boys. By the time we're done, we won't have enough to spend on a 34 yr old OT who will demand one more big payday.

Some good our other boys will do once Cam is dead, TD and Greg retired, etc.  Peters in this case has two more years on his deal.  Poof-then his $$$ disappears.  We would have this and next year's draft to find a cheaper, younger solution.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Sorry, I'm not willing to spend a good portion of the cap on a declining player just because you want a Pro-Bowler at every position. Oher is just fine. If he's healthy, he'll be our starter. I prefer to keep Turner, Norwell, Star, Short (for a reasonable price), Addison, etc while signing a few FAs to fill in holes.

Oher is STILL in the protocol since what...August?!

Good LTs are supposed to be paid. With the reworking of Stew's contract (or arguably even without) our cap is no longer upside down. Peters is worth his money. He is arguably the perfect short-term answer for our predicament, because there aren't necessarily any good longer term answers that are as solid.  

 

"Peters is coming off of his ninth Pro Bowl selection, and unlike last season, it wasn't a token invite. He legitimately rebounded from a down year plagued by injuries and performed like one of the best left tackles in the NFL. Peters received the eighth-highest cumulative grade at his position in 2016 from Pro Football Focus, so while he wasn't as dominant as once before, the 13-year veteran was highly effective.

"Even if he was only the eighth-best left tackle in the league last season, as it turns out, that's actually right in line with his salary. According to OverTheCap, Peters' cap hit for '17 ranks seventh among left tackles, while five come within a million dollars.

"So while Peters is making a lot of money, it's neither an unusually large sum for his position or a player of his caliber. If anything, he might be able to ask the Eagles for MORE."

http://www.csnphilly.com/the700level/2017-eagles-cost-analysis-ots-jason-peters-still-worth-money

[brandon_87]

Huddle logic:

 

Peters (starting caliber LT)...can be had for a 5th

 

Finches (couldn't start on any of the 32 teams in league ).... we can get a 3rd....

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Sorry, I'm not willing to spend a good portion of the cap on a declining player just because you want a Pro-Bowler at every position. Oher is just fine. If he's healthy, he'll be our starter. I prefer to keep Turner, Norwell, Star, Short (for a reasonable price), Addison, etc while signing a few FAs to fill in holes.

What if we can resign the people you are talking about and still sign someone like Peters?

If Oher isn't healthy then LT is a pretty important hole to fill.  He might be at the age where he starts declining but he would probably still be better then a lot of other options.

[Nails]

14 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

Huddle logic:

 

Peters (starting caliber LT)...can be had for a 5th

 

Finches (couldn't start on any of the 32 teams in league ).... we can get a 3rd....

Age, contract, and injury history apply.  Clady was traded for a 7th last year.  Read the title to this thread.  They literally can't pay him.  They've also already paid Lane Johnson.

[AU-panther]

5 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Point?

Unless The Panthers release him or Oher retires this off-season, he's our LT. Deal with it. 

Signing Peters will only complicate things for the guys we're trying to bring back or lock up. Sorry, at 34, he's not worth 13-15m a year. I don't care what the stats say. We've seen this poo before time and time again. Let me know if it sounds familiar: 

An aging Pro Bowler leaves a team he's been with for majority of his career because he was asked to take a team friendly deal, gets signed by another team who has cap space, overpays him and then flops. He retires a season or two later only to be despised by the fans that once viewed him as a solution.

No thanks. 

Or Oher gets another concussion and retires and we are back to Remmers and Williams as our two tackles.  That is if he gets out of the concussion protocol this time.

[Nails]

1 minute ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

You're assuming too much.

Hey, if you're fine with risking one of our guards, defensive tackles, or our best edge pass rusher for a temporary bandaid then cool.

But that's not Gettleman. We already know how this will play out.

Then he deserves to be tarred, feathered, and flogged at Trade and Tryon.  I WISH we could count on Oher, would be great for many reasons.  But a new league year has begun and major decisions have to be made now.  He CANNOT be counted on right now to protect our franchise.

[AU-panther]

5 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

 You're assuming too much.

Hey, if you're fine with risking one of our guards, defensive tackles, or our best edge pass rusher for a temporary bandaid then cool.

But that's not Gettleman. We already know how this will play out.

Nobody is saying you have to risk losing those other players.  The math says otherwise.

For example I did a little match for another thread awhile back:

Contracts that I added:

Addison - 4/26m

JPP       - 4/48m

Short     - 5/80m

Reiff      - 4/40m

Berry     - 5/70m

Also planned for  these future contracts:

Norwell   - 5/40m

Turner    - 5/50m

Star        - 5/50m

KB          - 5/70m

Ginn      -  2/8m

Not really looking to argue about the amounts, didn't really take time to look at comps.  In some cases I am using the numbers as placeholders.  For example I'm sure most would think 5/70 for KB is a crazy amount but if he has a really good year next year you never know.  If not you have space to add someone.  Also this accounts for freeing up about $5m by cutting players this year.  Some combination of Dickson, Tolbert, Soliai, or Gano.  Also cutting Stewart would add a chunk.

This would leave us enough cap to fill out the roster with rookies and cheaper free agents for the 2017 and 2018 seasons.  Also it accounts for practice squad and about $5 million cushion to start each season.

As you can see CJ and Ealy are not resigned but if we spend that much on JPP and Addison I don't see it happening.  Actually I would be shocked if we signed JPP, Addison, Star, and Short.  We would have an enormous amount of cap space allocated to the defensive line.  We would probably lead the league by good amount.  Dolphins and Jags were tops in 2016 at around 40m.  The 10th highest was $24m to put it in perspective.

Needless to say this is pushing it kind of tight for the next few years but it would be doable.  And to be honest I really don't see us signing Berry, JPP, and Reiff.

 

[Daddy_Uncle]

9 hours ago, KSpan said:

Wouldn't necessarily be mutually-exclusive moves, and Peters could (and probably does) have a few quality years left. Get the starter, develop the younger guy, add depth, gain draft and FA flexibility.

The answers on the roster pal

[brandon_87]

1 hour ago, Nails said:

Age, contract, and injury history apply.  Clady was traded for a 7th last year.  Read the title to this thread.  They literally can't pay him.  They've also already paid Lane Johnson.

Very good points

[top dawg]

53 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Nobody is saying you have to risk losing those other players.  The math says otherwise.

For example I did a little match for another thread awhile back:

Contracts that I added:

Addison - 4/26m

JPP       - 4/48m

Short     - 5/80m

Reiff      - 4/40m

Berry     - 5/70m

Also planned for  these future contracts:

Norwell   - 5/40m

Turner    - 5/50m

Star        - 5/50m

KB          - 5/70m

Ginn      -  2/8m

Not really looking to argue about the amounts, didn't really take time to look at comps.  In some cases I am using the numbers as placeholders.  For example I'm sure most would think 5/70 for KB is a crazy amount but if he has a really good year next year you never know.  If not you have space to add someone.  Also this accounts for freeing up about $5m by cutting players this year.  Some combination of Dickson, Tolbert, Soliai, or Gano.  Also cutting Stewart would add a chunk.

This would leave us enough cap to fill out the roster with rookies and cheaper free agents for the 2017 and 2018 seasons.  Also it accounts for practice squad and about $5 million cushion to start each season.

As you can see CJ and Ealy are not resigned but if we spend that much on JPP and Addison I don't see it happening.  Actually I would be shocked if we signed JPP, Addison, Star, and Short.  We would have an enormous amount of cap space allocated to the defensive line.  We would probably lead the league by good amount.  Dolphins and Jags were tops in 2016 at around 40m.  The 10th highest was $24m to put it in perspective.

Needless to say this is pushing it kind of tight for the next few years but it would be doable.  And to be honest I really don't see us signing Berry, JPP, and Reiff.

 

I'm sorry, man, I just think there is better value out there. I also think that you've overpaid Addy, Reiff, KB and Ginn. 

[AU-panther]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm sorry, man, I just think there is better value out there. I also think that you've overpaid Addy, Reiff, KB and Ginn. 

Hence the reason I said I wasn't looking to argue about the amounts and that I didn't spend a lot of time to looking at comps.  

Also I went high on a lot of the amounts because it helps to illustrate the type of space we have to work with for the next few years.  Also to show that we can indeed add outside free agents along with resigning on own.