Leonard Fournette: Better than AP

[emhoward]

2 hours ago, Woodie said:

See, now your just being obnoxious...for no other reason than to unreasonable hold on to your hate.  What's really funny is that you have shown zero evidence to dispute anything I said (because obviously there is no real evidence you can provide).  I know you are a typical stubborn internet tough guy that won't back down no matter how wrong you are proven to be, but I will break it down for you anyway.

1) Neither Shula nor Rivera had ever used, worked around, or been involved with an offense that relied on the read option prior to Cam.  That is an indisputable fact.

2) When we drafted Cam, both were involved with the adapting of our offense to include that element in order to tailor the offense to Cam's strengths (led by Chud of course)  Another indisputable fact.

3) So, the only reason the Carolina Panthers run the read option is to take advantage of Cam's strengths as a QB.  One more indisputable fact.

4) Rivera has spent the offseason talking about changing the offense to move away from Cam being the primary ball carrier.  You guessed it, an indisputable fact.

5) Here's where logic starts to happen, so pay attention: since they want to move away from Cam as the primary ball carrier, it's a logical assumption that they will change the focus away from the one element that was in our scheme solely for the purpose of using Cam as a primary ball carrier (not totally, but as a base concept). After all, what's the point of using the read option if the guy you implemented it for is not going to be running anywhere near as much.

6) Since both Shula and Rivera did not have a history with the read option prior to Cam, doing away with or limiting the read option is not an evolution, but simply them reverting to their base philosophy.  A final indisputable fact.

Since this is all I said, five out of the six point are indisputable, and the lone assumption is a logical one based on those indisputable facts.

Now, I'm sure you'll dispute them because, well, you are trying way to hard to push you agenda of hate, no matter how filled with fallacy it is.  Also, I know this because you had to get aggressive and insulting and in your youth, likely feel you cannot back down.  Well, you should let it go anyway; there's really nothing to argue with.

Might be wasting your time man. I tend to agree with him when he talk ls Gettleman, but his view of Rivera/Shula is off the deep end. 

[usmcpanthers]

im not as sold on fournette as the huddle is. He has had a nagging ankle injury for multiple seasons. He was a heisman candidate until he was stoned by alabama and was held to next to nothing. After that game he didnt have a good game the rest of the season, then he skipped on the citrus bowl.

[h0llywood]

26 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

im not as sold on fournette as the huddle is. He has had a nagging ankle injury for multiple seasons. He was a heisman candidate until he was stoned by alabama and was held to next to nothing. After that game he didnt have a good game the rest of the season, then he skipped on the citrus bowl.

He indeed get stonewalled by Alabama but it wasn't just him, the entire team got shut out. He only played two games after that and only one was bad. He had 98 yards and 3tds the next game against Arkansas which shows that he knows how to bounce back. Then get got injured and only carried the ball 12 times then sat out the next two games.

Adrian Peterson dislocated hi shoulder, suffered a high ankle sprain and fractured his collarbone. 

I would not pass on a talent like Fournette.

 

[RickyManningJr]

This guy said better than AP and Earl Campbell.  We will see, have to prove things like that on the field.

[Semaj]

Holy Crap. I don't watch much college football but this young fellow is very impressive. I wanted Luke and we got him. I wanted Star and we got him. I definitely want Leonard with our pick. I hope he's there. If he is, I don't believe that there is any way that G-man is passing up this beast of a RB.

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[davos]

I'm a huge fan but what I worry about is that ongoing ankle injury in the late fall that led to his bowl absence and reports that he may need surgery. 

 

[csx]

14 hours ago, Woodie said:

See, now your just being obnoxious...for no other reason than to unreasonable hold on to your hate.  What's really funny is that you have shown zero evidence to dispute anything I said (because obviously there is no real evidence you can provide).  I know you are a typical stubborn internet tough guy that won't back down no matter how wrong you are proven to be, but I will break it down for you anyway.

1) Neither Shula nor Rivera had ever used, worked around, or been involved with an offense that relied on the read option prior to Cam.  That is an indisputable fact.

2) When we drafted Cam, both were involved with the adapting of our offense to include that element in order to tailor the offense to Cam's strengths (led by Chud of course)  Another indisputable fact.

3) So, the only reason the Carolina Panthers run the read option is to take advantage of Cam's strengths as a QB.  One more indisputable fact.

4) Rivera has spent the offseason talking about changing the offense to move away from Cam being the primary ball carrier.  You guessed it, an indisputable fact.

5) Here's where logic starts to happen, so pay attention: since they want to move away from Cam as the primary ball carrier, it's a logical assumption that they will change the focus away from the one element that was in our scheme solely for the purpose of using Cam as a primary ball carrier (not totally, but as a base concept). After all, what's the point of using the read option if the guy you implemented it for is not going to be running anywhere near as much.

6) Since both Shula and Rivera did not have a history with the read option prior to Cam, doing away with or limiting the read option is not an evolution, but simply them reverting to their base philosophy.  A final indisputable fact.

Since this is all I said, five out of the six point are indisputable, and the lone assumption is a logical one based on those indisputable facts.

Now, I'm sure you'll dispute them because, well, you are trying way to hard to push you agenda of hate, no matter how filled with fallacy it is.  Also, I know this because you had to get aggressive and insulting and in your youth, likely feel you cannot back down.  Well, you should let it go anyway; there's really nothing to argue with.

You have more patience than I in your effort to explain the obvious. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

On 2/7/2017 at 11:37 AM, SgtJoo said:

Haha I was just about to post this.

I'm sold.

 

On 2/7/2017 at 11:51 AM, Hoenheim said:

He hasn't played a down in the nfl .. 

I think it's tricky taking a runner who is mostly known for power and predicting his nfl success. I don't think Fournette is anywhere near as shifty as AP. We will see. 

 

On 2/7/2017 at 11:53 AM, chknwing said:

a 1-2 punch with him and stewart would punish defenses.

 

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/leonard-fournette?id=2557973

 

 

[uncfan888]

1 hour ago, sanjay_rajput said:

 

 

 

@E CaT PanTHer 2

@KillerKat

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/leonard-fournette?id=2557973

 

 

Who gives a poo that their pre combine grades are within 0.5 points of each other. I'll take Adams in a heartbeat. 

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[Ace_Aladdin]

33 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Who gives a poo that their pre combine grades are within 0.5 points of each other. I'll take Adams in a heartbeat. 

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@tiger7_88

@nctarheel0619

there is a difference in the talent level, Fournette is just better overall football player.

(All pro) Fournette >  (pro) Adams 

:)

 

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[Saca312]

19 hours ago, Woodie said:

See, now your just being obnoxious...for no other reason than to unreasonable hold on to your hate.  What's really funny is that you have shown zero evidence to dispute anything I said (because obviously there is no real evidence you can provide).  I know you are a typical stubborn internet tough guy that won't back down no matter how wrong you are proven to be, but I will break it down for you anyway.

1) Neither Shula nor Rivera had ever used, worked around, or been involved with an offense that relied on the read option prior to Cam.  That is an indisputable fact.

2) When we drafted Cam, both were involved with the adapting of our offense to include that element in order to tailor the offense to Cam's strengths (led by Chud of course)  Another indisputable fact.

3) So, the only reason the Carolina Panthers run the read option is to take advantage of Cam's strengths as a QB.  One more indisputable fact.

4) Rivera has spent the offseason talking about changing the offense to move away from Cam being the primary ball carrier.  You guessed it, an indisputable fact.

5) Here's where logic starts to happen, so pay attention: since they want to move away from Cam as the primary ball carrier, it's a logical assumption that they will change the focus away from the one element that was in our scheme solely for the purpose of using Cam as a primary ball carrier (not totally, but as a base concept). After all, what's the point of using the read option if the guy you implemented it for is not going to be running anywhere near as much.

6) Since both Shula and Rivera did not have a history with the read option prior to Cam, doing away with or limiting the read option is not an evolution, but simply them reverting to their base philosophy.  A final indisputable fact.

Since this is all I said, five out of the six point are indisputable, and the lone assumption is a logical one based on those indisputable facts.

Now, I'm sure you'll dispute them because, well, you are trying way to hard to push you agenda of hate, no matter how filled with fallacy it is.  Also, I know this because you had to get aggressive and insulting and in your youth, likely feel you cannot back down.  Well, you should let it go anyway; there's really nothing to argue with.

Very fair assessment and logistical ideology on where they want to begin an "evolution" of some sort.

Would not be surprised to see us become more traditional, or even schemed more like Cam's rookie season. 

[uncfan888]

I forgot how young and immature Rainmaker aka Sanjay is

[nctarheel0619]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

Who gives a poo that their pre combine grades are within 0.5 points of each other. I'll take Adams in a heartbeat. 

@Saca312

@tiger7_88

@nctarheel0619

I'll take either at this point.  But to my chagrin, I think we'll be stuck with Thomas.  

 

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[Jangler]

16 hours ago, RickyManningJr said:

This guy said better than AP and Earl Campbell.  We will see, have to prove things like that on the field.

Better than Earl Campbell?

I really haven't bothered reading this thread. But if that comparison has been thrown out there, that's bs. There will never be another Earl Campbell. Big Men running can't happen in the NFL. Look at Gurly, breaking down already. If Stew hadn't split carries with DWill, he'd be out of the NFL by now.