Atlanta's offense isn't one that should try to be emulated

[Davidson Deac II]

31 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

Finesse team couldn't grind it out when they had the game won. 

They didn't really try to grind it out.  Running backs had 18 carries total, many of them in the first half.  Freeman had 3 touches in the second half. 

 

I was wondering if he was injured. 

[Salisburysean98]

To be fair and I agree with most of what you've said OP, but I think Tevin Coleman  going down really hindered the Falcons on offense more than people want to think. They utilize those backs in the backfield quite often, and it's just really easier to focus on Freeman rather than having Coleman in a two back set in the shotgun. It's actually part of the way their offense is set up to win the battle on third downs, they go in the shotgun, spread you out, force you into a nickel type of D, either utilize the backs or hit Julio/Gabriel/Sanu and there will be somebody open. Also their fullback is huge in blocking receiving.

[JARROD]

I disagree-- Atlantas offense was awesome-- they throw guys open, zone block the backs open, stretch plays etc--- their failure truly was to stop adjusting and just keep running the same crap over and over in front of the best mad genius ever-- that was a formula for failure.

Had the Falcons adjusted, gone more to clock control, slowed them down, dialed in the stupid mistakes we would all have a different conversation today,

So excellent scheme-- terrible coaching in regards to adjustments, rotation of personnel(they were gassed by the 4th quarter), not slowing everything down once they were at 28-3. Damn- they just had to make field goals, give the patriots the underneath to lengthen drives, and cut the stupid mistakes-- cough cough throw the ball away, etc--

Scheme-- yes copy-- but we would suck too because our coaches are like Atlanta-- duh don't adjust-- let's just beat our heads on a tree repeatedly without pulling out a chain saw, bazooka, blow torch-- anything else to stay different-- just keep it out there until the other team schemes around you and puts you down.

That's the part that the Panthers and most other teams have to change-- or the Patriots will just do it again again and again.


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[t96]

3 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

To be fair and I agree with most of what you've said OP, but I think Tevin Coleman  going down really hindered the Falcons on offense more than people want to think. They utilize those backs in the backfield quite often, and it's just really easier to focus on Freeman rather than having Coleman in a two back set in the shotgun. It's actually part of the way their offense is set up to win the battle on third downs, they go in the shotgun, spread you out, force you into a nickel type of D, either utilize the backs or hit Julio/Gabriel/Sanu and there will be somebody open. Also their fullback is huge in blocking receiving.

Sorry to say man but they pretty much never had those two on the field at the same time. Coleman clearly was a big part of that offense but he and Freeman would spell each other. They were on the field together like 14 plays the entire year or something like that. Their fullback DiMarco was on the field most of the time and he's not really a receiving threat but is a beast of a blocker. They had 3 TEs who were receiving threats before Tamme went down and without him had Hooper and Toilolo.

[mc52beast]

Falcons offense reminds me of the Cardinals, high octane that can score quickly but when you make them string plays together they struggle.

Ron's old school philosophy of running the ball and playing good defense can win games, but you have to have great execution. And when you need to get yards thru the air you have to have the players to do it... and of course your OC has to have the ability to adjust when your opponent is kicking your butt.

[t96]

11 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Falcons offense reminds me of the Cardinals, high octane that can score quickly but when you make them string plays together they struggle.

Ron's old school philosophy of running the ball and playing good defense can win games, but you have to have great execution. And when you need to get yards thru the air you have to have the players to do it... and of course your OC has to have the ability to adjust when your opponent is kicking your butt.

Our 2013 team was so fuging good I still get pissed thinking about the loss to the Niners. That's the worst loss in recent memory for me, worse than the SB against Denver. That 2013 defense was historically good and is long forgotten because of that hackjob from the refs. Absolutely brutal. The offense was exactly what we needed then too. Controlled the clock, sustained drives with the run game and 3rd down passing or Cam running and could put up points when in dire situations. God I miss that team. 2015 was more finesse, on both sides of the ball and obviously we should've won it all but I don't think that team was as good as our 2013 team. The 2015 defense was very poor against top offenses. Those shootouts were brutal to watch.

[top dawg]

Sorry. I can't get with this. I've seen the Falcons run the ball effectively---grinding it out and otherwise. They just got crazy with the pass. With balance, which they largely had during the season, they are dangerous.

The reason that the Falcons choked is mainly because of their lack of defense. The more complete team---the one with a defense and an offense---pulled it out.

[Fox007]

LOL that offense has won SBs...it's his daddy's and it would have won one last night if they just run up the middle or QB sneak 3 times in a row kick the FG and win.

The offense is fine, we're all glad they lost but going full retard is never warranted. We won't do that because we don't have the personnel and the mentality is different. 

The bullshit we've been running with Cam is what shouldn't be emulated...no more read option trash.

[Fox007]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Sorry. I can't get with this. I've seen the Falcons run the ball effectively---grinding it out and otherwise. They just got crazy with the pass. With balance, which they largely had during the season, they are dangerous.

The reason that the Falcons choked is mainly because of their lack of defense. The more complete team---the one with a defense and an offense---pulled it out.

Exactly...wtf man...hate the Falcons all you want but going stupid is....stupid.

Personally I'd love to have a coach that fits it's scheme to the personnel and tries to find the weakness in the defense instead of running the ball up the middle every fugin first down....and then throwing bombs on 3rd and 1....fugin asinine offense we have how can our fans hate on great offenses....makes no sense.

 

Oh and their OC actually takes responsibility and doesn't sit there and blame lame ass execution lol. "I called a brilliant hail mary on 4th and 1, we just didn't exucute"...fug outta here

[top dawg]

Yeah, honestly, they not only have the personnel to pull it off, just think if their personnel gets better. Take away Sanu and add someone of the caliber of a young Roddy White, and their offense is even more of a problem.

[Soul Rebel]

Great post OP!!!

Here are my thoughts....

1. Shula adjusting and changing the offense fairly significantly.

Agreed... this is the most important and fully believe the least likely.  It needs to happen for us to move forward. I don't think he's as awful as the Huddle makes him out to be, but he has to improve, adjust on the fly and stop being so damn predictable. I do think when given a healthy OL, letting Cam be Cam, a decent running game and a defense that plays at a good level, he can succeed. 2015 proved that. 

2. Get a top blocking FB.

Such an under appreciated point that needs to be addressed. I think any of the 3 mentioned would be welcomed here. I wonder if ATL will let DiMarco go coming off the SB. Jurcyzczk would be my #1 but DiMarco would be a phenomenal get for us.

3. Get a top 20-25 all around TE to pair with Olsen.

We've been actively trying to fix this since the Shockey-Olsen marriage came to a halt.  We were eyeing Eifert and Nicklaus in previous drafts, and like you said, Cook last FA.  Honestly, my guy is one you mentioned - Luke Willson.  Dude is exactly what we need and is a tremendous #2 as long as you don't count on him to be an All-Pro starter.  A great blocker and sneaky option that defenses could forget about with a guy like Olsen as the focal point. We all should remember his name from his game-winning TD in Charlotte.

4. Get a franchise LT.

I don't believe there is a franchise guy out there, but I do believe we could find an Oher-esque or slightly above Oher player like Riley Reiff in FA. Don't want Kalil and don't see a franchise guy in FA, but a stable balanced player like Reiff could be enough with our interior three. Sidebar - I hope we can find Kalil's replacement in the mid-latter rounds.... Toth from UK or the kid from WVU.

5. Get a dedicated slot receiver.

Lots of WRs on the FA market, but I feel like DG could make his first huge splash here.  We need an OT - no huge money contracts here. We need an edge DE - no thank you.... except for Addison. JPP, Campbell, etc. will get too much dough... possibly include Addison in that convo too. Desean Jackson would be incredible as our WR1 and can also slide to slot in some packages. He is a dynamic weapon and would love him with Cam. That would slide Funchess into that slot/possession/move the chains/Cotchery WR that we need. Jackson would give us a lot of flexibility with our other WRs.  I also LOVE Curtis Samuel in the draft if we bypass it in FA. Cordarelle Patterson would be a good, cheaper option too. 

[t96]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

Sorry. I can't get with this. I've seen the Falcons run the ball effectively---grinding it out and otherwise. They just got crazy with the pass. With balance, which they largely had during the season, they are dangerous.

The reason that the Falcons choked is mainly because of their lack of defense. The more complete team---the one with a defense and an offense---pulled it out.

They never really had any long drives to control the time of possession. Their run game was effective because of their high probability of hitting on big plays. You couldn't really count on their RBs pounding it 4-5 yards at a time and getting first down after first down. Can you win a Super Bowl with a finesse, big play offense like this? Yes, of course. Things have to fall right but it has obviously happened. I just don't think it's the best way to go for continued success. Our 2015 finesse offense got spanked. The Pats finesse offense in 07 got spanked. Broncos finesse offense in 13 got spanked. Defense and controlling the ToP with the running game sustaining drives is the much surer way to win, and especially with Rivera as our HC. This thread was partially in response to everybody posting here about how great their offense is and what not but also just where we can improve on offense.

I can't agree with that at all. I expected the Pats to waltz all over them the entire game but their defense shocked the hell out of me in the first half plus. They just got completely winded and couldn't keep up after that. When the offense can't sustain drives that's what happens. Patriots ran nearly 100 offensive plays! That's completely ridiculous. Was not because of lack of talent or a bad defensive scheme. The entire D was just winded at that point, and Brady and the Pats got hot. Falcons needed one 4+ minute drive in the second half, and they couldn't get it. Even if you drive running the ball for 4 yards every play and end up with a field goal from the 10, that's so much better.

[top dawg]

34 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

They never really had any long drives to control the time of possession. Their run game was effective because of their high probability of hitting on big plays. You couldn't really count on their RBs pounding it 4-5 yards at a time and getting first down after first down. Can you win a Super Bowl with a finesse, big play offense like this? Yes, of course. Things have to fall right but it has obviously happened. I just don't think it's the best way to go for continued success. Our 2015 finesse offense got spanked. The Pats finesse offense in 07 got spanked. Broncos finesse offense in 13 got spanked. Defense and controlling the ToP with the running game sustaining drives is the much surer way to win, and especially with Rivera as our HC. This thread was partially in response to everybody posting here about how great their offense is and what not but also just where we can improve on offense.

I can't agree with that at all. I expected the Pats to waltz all over them the entire game but their defense shocked the hell out of me in the first half plus. They just got completely winded and couldn't keep up after that. When the offense can't sustain drives that's what happens. Patriots ran nearly 100 offensive plays! That's completely ridiculous. Was not because of lack of talent or a bad defensive scheme. The entire D was just winded at that point, and Brady and the Pats got hot. Falcons needed one 4+ minute drive in the second half, and they couldn't get it. Even if you drive running the ball for 4 yards every play and end up with a field goal from the 10, that's so much better.

The Falcons D was sorry this year, no matter how you slice it. Come on, man. The reason why the Pats ran so many plays is because the Falcons defense could not stop them. When the Pats stopped turning the ball over---and no, I am not giving the Falcons total credit---they went and won the game! Don't blame it on being gassed. Brady picked them apart bit by bit for 466 yards! 

If the Patriots had spotted any other defense of teams in the playoffs this season, they lose hands down. The Falcons defense sucks, and their offense is prolific. The better team---the one with offense and defense---won!

 

[beastson]

Kyle with Ron running the defense and our defense (if we improve the secondary) I see winning the superbowl. I'll trade shula for kyle anyday