Would Malik Hooker Really Be A Bad Selection at 8?

[MV%doe]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In a vacuum that sounds good, but draft classes vary a lot in terms of strength and depth of specific positions. What if this is 2012 all over again where Matt Kalil is the best LT in the class? Fletcher Cox was the #2 DT that season. Harrison Smith was the #2 safety. Stephon Gilmore was the #2 CB. All three of those were 1st rounders and I'd take all three of them over Matt Kalil.

Yes each draft is it's own unquie snowflake with strengths and weaknesses. Of course using highsight Kalil looks like a failure. At the time he was viewed as a stud, plenty of busts in each group thats the beatuy of the draft. I'd rather risk that pick on a equally graded DE, LT, QB than safety/RBs, cause the return is much better. Honestly there's a shortage of OLmen in the NFL. Plenty of blame to go around- players Union for limiting practice time, college coaches are doing a poor job, some colleges never have thier OTs in a three point stance, etc etc. Hence why remmers isn't soooo bad.......  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[MV%doe]

16 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

I would be willing to hedge my bets that Malik Hooker is a 'rare talent'. Nobody, including 32 NFL GMs have a crystal ball for the future, but I've seen quite a few times that Hooker has Ed Reed potential... and Reed was a rare talent. Vonn Bell was a great safety at OSU, but he didn't come anywhere close to sniffing the top 10 of the draft last year. 

On the other note, I too have warmed up to Ramczyzk at 8, but there would have to be a serious run on a lot of players I really like at 8. Tough call bro.... we need a LT, but we've seen all we are going to see of him until the draft because of his injury.  No pro day or combine for Ramczyzk.

In drafting history, how many safetys have been picked in the top eight? I can only member three, Charles wooden(DB weapon that started CB), Sean Taylor, and the Jets picked one I believe 2nd or 4th overall around 1990/89. The jet safety had a simple name that escapes me. Eric... Something. I mean that holds weight right? Could see two in this year's, which should break a few records. I don't know if I want the panther to be part of that history, I'm still undecided.

[LinvilleGorge]

All I know is that there are several players who I would be quite pleased with at #8. I wish one of them was a LT, but that's just not the case. Bad year to need an OT. Unfortunately, that will also likely be reflected in free agency with guys getting more than their fair market value. It's definitely a seller's market for OTs and you can bet that agents realize that. They're gonna be looking to fleece some desperate teams with desperate GMs.

[MV%doe]

Curiosity got me, the name I was looking for was Eric Turner. But he was drafted by the browns not the Jets, #2 overall. Here's a list of safetys drafted, it's rare being a safety picked in the first. Most seem to start in the 20s.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=S&type=position

 

Edit: I forgot Eric berry, I need to visit my shame corner..... Plus I cannot believe only one safety was picked in 2009, wow!

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Hooker has so much range and ball skills. Despite his tackling flaws, the guy is unmatched in terms of coverage in this draft.

Adams deserves his hype too but he'll be a SS at this level. He's built like a brickhouse and plays the game like a LB.

If the safeties are gone, then give me Thomas over Barnett. Solomon has a higher ceiling, and can play almost all over the line.

Worst case scenario, we end up drafting Fournette. A talent on par with AP. Yep, that's the worst we can do fellas.

It's gonna be a great draft.

I think Hooker might be the only guy we have a real shot at who I'd take over Fournette. Despite the Huddle crush, I'd take Fournette over his teammate Adams. I think Adams is a very good, but not great prospect. Just my opinion.

[Shocker]

Hooker would be outstaning at 8.  Dude has it all really.  This guy has a chance at greatness IMO.  

[AU-panther]

16 hours ago, MV%doe said:

I currently believe most teams have hooker above Adams. I mean it's a passing league, most teams are around 60/40 pass/run. Plus theres a term being thrown around with hooker-playmaker. I do have one issue, ive seen bell form the saints play and hooker did not beat him out last year. I don't know how OSU handles Thier business, but bell was meh at best for the saints.

My issue with spending a 1st on safety or even RB is the overall value. Look the Huuuuge benefit of 1st rounders is the contract. 5 years attached to a nfl-low salary, that's Fing pure gold. The current contracts being given out to DEs, QBs, and LTS is insanely high. If you hit on a rookie DE, the difference in salary can be 3mill per to 15mill per. Think of the value cams rookie contract was for a team that was in salary cap jail. That's why I'm not on the RB/safety support group(in the first). Of course it's a risk the rookie is a dud, but if he's not the value isanely high.

Just to add I've reeeedally warmed up to Ryan Ramczyk the LT form Wisconsin, he's in my list of acceptable 8th overall picks now. Rather have the best LT or #2-4 best DE in this draft, than safety/RB......Unless it's a rare talent.

Great point about the relative cap savings based on position.  From a asset allocation perspective certain positions definitely carry more value.

Here are some numbers to consider:

The 8th pick in the draft will earn a 4yr deal worth around $17m, which averages out to around $4.27m per year.

http://overthecap.com/draft/

If you look at the average yearly salary of other contracts, of other positions, that would compare as such:

13th highest RB http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/

28th highest safety

28 4-3 end

47 edge rusher

You have to remember that a rookies contract is pretty much guaranteed so they should see that average over the four years.  A lot of the other yearly numbers could be inflated because of back end money never realized on contracts of older players who are cut.

Lets say the rookie turns out to be a top-5 type of player.  Here are the average yearly salaries of the 5th highest paid of the positions groups I listed earlier.

RB - $6.9m

Safety - $9.5m

4-3 end - $9.8m

Edge - $13.2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jumpman910]

With Hooker having surgery on his torn labrum and hernia that he played with we can kiss the Jamal Adams dream goodbye. 

[Soul Rebel]

Wow...didn't think it was possible to make that Clemson interception more impressive. 

Well, maybe this is enough of a bump for him to make it to 8. 

Please, and thank you. 

[MV%doe]

7 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Great point about the relative cap savings based on position.  From a asset allocation perspective certain positions definitely carry more value.

Here are some numbers to consider:

The 8th pick in the draft will earn a 4yr deal worth around $17m, which averages out to around $4.27m per year.

http://overthecap.com/draft/

If you look at the average yearly salary of other contracts, of other positions, that would compare as such:

13th highest RB http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/

28th highest safety

28 4-3 end

47 edge rusher

You have to remember that a rookies contract is pretty much guaranteed so they should see that average over the four years.  A lot of the other yearly numbers could be inflated because of back end money never realized on contracts of older players who are cut.

Lets say the rookie turns out to be a top-5 type of player.  Here are the average yearly salaries of the 5th highest paid of the positions groups I listed earlier.

RB - $6.9m

Safety - $9.5m

4-3 end - $9.8m

Edge - $13.2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Adds substance to my benefits. To piggyback off that, the contract is, as sadly as this sounds but it's control. That 5th option gives teams powerful options. Say the player is a stud and DOESN'T want to sign a new contract. After picking up the 5th, you can then use the franchise tag for 2 years. After 7 prime years most players are 30, the age where productivity falls. Plus even with those two franchise years, the average contact is low for a elite player. That 5th option gives negotiation power to the team, imagine if KK was a 1st! No one is talking about star (should be) cause Dave already picked up the 5th year.

Bravo to owners for getting such a great deal at the lastest collective bargaining. Just about every way they win. Player sucks, cut him and take the small cap hit. He's great but doesn't want to sign long-term, 7 years is the minimum. He's great but wants more money, he has to trade that in for stability. The contract forces a player to either stay with drafted team or try his luck at free agency while 30.

[MV%doe]

6 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

Wow...didn't think it was possible to make that Clemson interception more impressive. 

Well, maybe this is enough of a bump for him to make it to 8. 

Please, and thank you. 

Yep normally id want to stay away form injured players, but I'm impressed if hooker played though two big injuries AT that level.(surely he did so before the Clemson game too) Image if he's healthy!!!..... But I want no part if this a constant issue. Sadly this is one of big pieces the public doesn't have access too.