Peppers could be coming back

[Bronn]

11 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

I can buy that @Bronn

Edit: Other than the Addison discount. That ain't happening. 

In that case, I think I would prefer Branch, Taylor, and Addison in favor of letting CJ walk and continuing to ignore this JPP talk.

I've not been sold on CJ in years, honestly. He's been somewhat loyal, at least, and a gap filler, but I don't think he's been a true starting caliber end in probably 3-4 years on most teams. He's had good guys beside him that make him look better.

Addison, on the other hand, has looked good when other ends haven't.

Branch, Taylor, and Addison will cost. Probably to the tune of about $20 million or slightly more a year.

JPP and Johnson would cost about the same, but you're only getting two good comfortable guys (somewhat overrated guys at that in my opinion) opposed to three hungry guys.
 

[RoaringRiot]

6 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Depth implies you have starters in place. The Panthers do not have starters in place. The offensive line fell apart last year because Oher went out, remmers switched over, and they effectively lost two starters. Right now, the Panthers don't even have THAT luxury at defensive end. 

As far as production, Pierre Paul was the 5th ranked 4-3 defensive end in the nfl this year, and that's WITH missing 5 games with a sports hernia. Peppers was a situational pass rusher who doesn't even put his hand in the ground anymore. Do you even watch football?

You haven't shut up about the cap. When you talk about "cap hell" you are making it a cap issue. That isn't difficult for you to understand, is it?

Yes, JPP is coveted because he's good. Bad players like Charles Johnson are not coveted because they are bad. Peppers would have to come off the bench in Green Bay because he's old. You have to pay for good players. 

The team has said nothing about who they prefer. Anything about peppers is pure speculation floated by the observer that dumb panthers fans are talking themselves into liking and defending (like you) because that's how people function. Charles Johnson has said he will only play with the Panthers, because he has absolutely no other offers. Because he's hurt and not good. 

Like your strategy of just getting some average players and draft a dude basically rests on blowing free agency out of the water and drafting a rookie of the year candidate and you don't even know who the players draftable areaghahgaghahg why do i care why do i argue with idiots like you

A "good" player had 5.5 of his 7 sacks against the two worst teams in the league and you want to overpay him? 

I'm not talking about anything the Observer said. I don't even know what the Observer said. 

Try having a conversation without being a complete dick. It's really not that hard.....unless you're a complete dick. 

[rippadonn]

A guy who had 7.5 sacks in limited time is washed up, OK.

[rippadonn]

Kony could benefit from seeing and learning from greatness.

[Bronn]

11 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Depth implies you have starters in place. The Panthers do not have starters in place. The offensive line fell apart last year because Oher went out, remmers switched over, and they effectively lost two starters. Right now, the Panthers don't even have THAT luxury at defensive end. 

As far as production, Pierre Paul was the 5th ranked 4-3 defensive end in the nfl this year, and that's WITH missing 5 games with a sports hernia. Peppers was a situational pass rusher who doesn't even put his hand in the ground anymore. Do you even watch football?

You haven't shut up about the cap. When you talk about "cap hell" you are making it a cap issue. That isn't difficult for you to understand, is it?

Yes, JPP is coveted because he's good. Bad players like Charles Johnson are not coveted because they are bad. Peppers would have to come off the bench in Green Bay because he's old. You have to pay for good players. 

The team has said nothing about who they prefer. Anything about peppers is pure speculation floated by the observer that dumb panthers fans are talking themselves into liking and defending (like you) because that's how people function. Charles Johnson has said he will only play with the Panthers, because he has absolutely no other offers. Because he's hurt and not good. 

Like your strategy of just getting some average players and draft a dude basically rests on blowing free agency out of the water and drafting a rookie of the year candidate and you don't even know who the players draftable areaghahgaghahg why do i care why do i argue with idiots like you

We don't need typical "Starters" on our front four. Our system is way more rotational on the defensive front than probably most NFL teams. Yes, everyone would love a stud, every down DE, but this is one area I think our philosophy is actually ahead of the rest of the league in. You don't need world beaters that play every down. You need 4-5 fresh guys that are capable of effectively being starters on decent teams rotating and shifting so as to confuse opposing OLs and wear them down. Denver did it to us in the Super Bowl. Rotational DEs and pass rushers are the future, and I think this is our chance to really get ahead of the curve.

That said, I completely agree with you on CJ and Pep. I could probably dig up posts about CJ from years ago where I felt like he was overrated and I got hell for it. Pep is pretty much an OLB, and a spot one at that. He's still somewhat lazy and has no drive, plus he was a dick to Cam that one time.

I mean yeah, having Pep back would be cool, but to even lump him into the DE discussion at this point is just meh.

[rippadonn]

8 minutes ago, Bronn said:

We don't need typical "Starters" on our front four. Our system is way more rotational on the defensive front than probably most NFL teams. Yes, everyone would love a stud, every down DE, but this is one area I think our philosophy is actually ahead of the rest of the league in. You don't need world beaters that play every down. You need 4-5 fresh guys that are capable of effectively being starters on decent teams rotating and shifting so as to confuse opposing OLs and wear them down. Denver did it to us in the Super Bowl. Lots of other teams are doing it now. Rotational DEs and pass rushers are the future.

That said, I completely agree with you on CJ and Pep. I could probably dig up posts about CJ from years ago where I felt like he was overrated and I got hell for it. Pep is pretty much an OLB, and a spot one at that. He's still somewhat lazy and has no drive, plus he was a dick to Cam that one time.

I mean yeah, having Pep back would be cool, but to even lump him into the DE discussion at this point is just meh.

Is Peppers better than CJ, Kony, Mario, Horton, etc?

If he's better than any of those guys we could use him.

We all wish we could have put Smitty's brain into JP's body but not everybody can fit into a box like that. He's probably a gentle soul deep down or something. That's OK. He remains the Panthers all time sack leader and is still physically imposing and in great shape.

We're talking about a high production (#'s don't lie) guy, HOF numbers and possibly a couple more years left. This is your player, you drafted one of the greatest and he wants to come home and make a SuperBowl run with your ace QB?!?

When he tossed the ball away from Cam I thought " Wow I wish he had that attitude when he was here!". Now guys are mad about that!?! Come on maaaaan!!!

[electro's horse]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Is Peppers better than CJ, Kony, Mario, Horton, etc?

If he's better than any of those guys we could use him.

We all wish we could have put Smitty's brain into JP's body but not everybody can fit into a box like that. He's probably a gentle soul deep down or something. That's OK. He remains the Panthers all time sack leader and is still physically imposing and in great shape.

We're talking about a high production (#'s don't lie) guy, HOF numbers and possibly a couple more years left. This is your player, you drafted one of the greatest and he wants to come home and make a SuperBowl run with your ace QB?!?

When he tossed the ball away from Cam I thought " Wow I wish he had that attitude when he was here!". Now guys are mad about that!?! Come on maaaaan!!!

Shut up. 

If the bar to clear is being better than Wes Horton or kony ealy then suit me up. 

Sacks are dumb counting stats. Panthers defense was total trash and were top three in team sacks. Peppers was used situationally to rush the qb from the old position. Not only does that position not exist on the team, tons of mediocre players thrive in that position. 

[Bronn]

8 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Is Peppers better than CJ, Kony, Mario, Horton, etc?

If he's better than any of those guys we could use him.

We all wish we could have put Smitty's brain into JP's body but not everybody can fit into a box like that. He's probably a gentle soul deep down or something. That's OK. He remains the Panthers all time sack leader and is still physically imposing and in great shape.

We're talking about a high production (#'s don't lie) guy, HOF numbers and possibly a couple more years left. This is your player, you drafted one of the greatest and he wants to come home and make a SuperBowl run with your ace QB?!?

When he tossed the ball away from Cam I thought " Wow I wish he had that attitude when he was here!". Now guys are mad about that!?! Come on maaaaan!!!

I actually think Ealy and Horton, probably seen as the worst DEs on our roster currently, are better DEs at this point than Pep would be, especially if either had to play a whole game as a starter.

After Pep left here, he pretty much devolved into a Lawrence Taylor/hybrid player that did well in situations, not in whole games.

Hell, even when Pep was still here, there were signs of it.

Yes, he's probably our second best player of all time. No, I harbored no hate for him when he left or do I now. But I really don't think he'll be the answer, especially considering how much the price tag would be, for our defensive woes.

Like Fiz kind of said... you can't tell how good a player is by looking at stats. You have to look at body of work, and scheme, and playing time, etc. etc. etc. Until the Panthers learn to cater to their players' strengths (especially on offense) then we can't really use guys like Pep the best way they can be used. Pretty much, Pep needs to play on a 3-4 team (not us) in passing downs as a 5th LB/DE outside specialist. If we were to sign him and use him how I think we would, he'd come in on third and mid downs in favor of or in addition to TD or Shaq, stacking one side and showing blitz. That would be at the expense of having an extra safety or CB in the box, and would be gambling that your pass rush would compensate for the lack of zone coverage generated by this. Plus, I don't think Pep has the coverage skills he once had to not actually bilitz in these situations, so teams would just gameplan around him.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

14 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Sure. Like who? 

I also like JPP.  I'd much prefer a 28 year old over a 37 year old!

[Mvp2014]

I'm indifferent.  We all know Julius is a freak of nature and could play at 37.  I'd cheer for him 

[rippadonn]

27 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Shut up. 

If the bar to clear is being better than Wes Horton or kony ealy then suit me up. 

 

Sacks are dumb counting stats. Panthers defense was total trash and were top three in team sacks. Peppers was used situationally to rush the qb from the old position. Not only does that position not exist on the team, tons of mediocre players thrive in that position. 

Lol! Exactly why I'd take a 37 year old over any of those guys. We need to clean house at DE, draft a couple sign a couple. Signing Peppers won't be our downfall next year. Adding a veteran HOF guy won't hurt us. Not adding quality guys at DE will. I think we can both agree on that.

 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

You don't need world beaters that play every down. You need 4-5 fresh guys that are capable of effectively being starters on decent teams rotating and shifting so as to confuse opposing OLs and wear them down. Denver did it to us in the Super Bowl. Rotational DEs and pass rushers are the future, and I think this is our chance to really get ahead of the curve.

 

Yeah, when I think of Denver I think of a team with no world beaters at DE. 

[Burnout189]

I really don't see a huge down-side to bringing JPep back. Especially if it is at a low cost, one year kind of deal. Just like Jared Allen as other people have said. It brings more veterancy and rotation to the D-Line and the guy is still a monster. If the guy can help us get back to a SB , hell I'm all for it.

[Kakarot]

16 hours ago, thebigcat said:

He should have come home three years ago... He never wanted the pressure of being the hometown hero, I could care less if he finishes his career here or not. I still remember to this day Gross signing a long term deal quickly so that we could tag Peppers... Gross is a true Panther, Peppers is an afterthought in my mind


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If you can make threads saying how your happy for the Falcons, then I don't think you should have a problem with Peppers coming back here lol

Im all for Peppers coming back, even though that move he pulled on Cam was a hoe move. If I can forgive Roman, then I can forgive one of the greatest panthers ever.