Gettleman speaks!

[Cary Kollins]

9 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I get it.  Believe me, I do.  But Bradberry was looked at as a potential 4th round or later pick by everyone.  Hell, the kid himself was fixing a damn toilet when he got picked.  What does that tell you?  

 

First, it tells me Bradberry is a humble dude. Secondly, it tells me draft "experts" are only slightly above your average message boarder in terms of football knowledge. There's a reason their pay checks don't come from a NFL team.

[nctarheel0619]

6 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

First, it tells me Bradberry is a humble dude. Secondly, it tells me draft "experts" are only slightly above your average message boarder in terms of football knowledge.

To be fair, I don't think any team actually had him as a second round pick.  Let's be real here.  Or Worley as a 3rd round pick.  Or to trade up for that 3rd round pick.  

[AU-panther]

9 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I get it.  Believe me, I do.  But Bradberry was looked at as a potential 4th round or later pick by everyone.  Hell, the kid himself was fixing a damn toilet when he got picked.  What does that tell you?  

Define everyone.  How many of those people had access to the draft boards of the actual teams? 

I do agree with you somewhat that at times it seems like we reach, but maybe not to the degree us fans think.  For all we know another team might have had a second round grade on him also.

People on this board are already talking about who all is a reach for this draft and we haven't even had a combine yet.

Part of successful drafting is evaluating talent.  The other part is forecasting what other teams do. Maybe we don't do the forecasting as much as other teams.  If you are constantly trying to get every pick at the very last moment you increase the risk of losing out on players you might really feel good about. 

 

[nctarheel0619]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We picked him 62nd, 2 picks before the 3rd round. It wasn't an early 2nd. No chance he lasts to our next pick. Also, go look at all the CBs taken after the 1st round. We have one who played better or as good as every non-1st round CB (and some 1st rounders) and Worley, who played better than most CBs taken after the 1st.

Oh and if you are going to based things on mocks, you should understand that guys like Bradberry go low because none of these guys doing mocks know the small school guys. Part of the reason why guys like Reggie Ragland, Jarran Reed and A'Shawn Robinson (all from Alabama) who were all 1st rounders in most mocks went 41st, 46th and 49th and Jonathan Bullard from Florida went 72nd when he was end of the 1st/early 2nd in most mocks. Mocks always have lots of top college team guys go earlier than they end up and some smaller school guys go later.

Last note, for reaching, how about this pre-draft report on Zach Sanchez, who we got in the 5th. I'm sorry, but from what I read after the draft on Bradberry and what I knew before, I don't think we reached as much as some DG haters do. Sanchez sure didn't work out, but how many 5th round players make an impact their rookie year period?

1.  Zack Sanchez*, CB, Oklahoma 
    Height: 5-10. Weight: 185. Arm: 31.38. 
   Projected 40 Time: 4.54. 
   Projected Round (2016): 2-4. 
    4/27/16: Sanchez had 45 tackles, seven interceptions and seven passes broken up in 2015. One pick was huge, as it helped Oklahoma pull off its comeback win over Tennessee. In other games, he had some lapses in coverage as he can be a gambler. That leads to him being beaten sometimes as well. 
   
   Sanchez dealt with a leg injury that has caused him to miss some games in 2015. He needs to add weight for the NFL, which with his height, relegates him to a nickel role. 
   
   Sanchez's risk-taking streak can produce big plays and also cause him to be badly beaten. Playing with more discipline will be a point of improvement as a professional. 
   
   8/17/15: Sanchez was awful in 2013 as teams constantly picked on him for big plays. He was vastly improved in 2014 for the Sooners and was one of the most improved players in college football across the nation. Sanchez was an all-conference pick and held up well when teams targeted him. He had 43 tackles with six interceptions and eight passes broken up. As a freshman, Sanchez picked off two passes and batted away 13. He could stand to fill out his frame.

I'm an OU fan, I thought he would get picked 6th or 7th or not picked at all.  He allowed way too many big plays year before last.  

After we Drafted Bradberry i had to look him up, and saw he was projected last 4th or lower by almost every analyst.  Has he panned out?  A resounding yes, so far.  Worley was 5th or lower, and I don't remember hearing about him much in Big 12 play.  Has he panned out?  Remains to be seen.  I mean, he does have a poo load of tackles though.  I guess that's a positive, right?  

[iamhubby1]

14 hours ago, Paintballr said:

 

 

Just throw in the word Shula


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Great example. As in, "To me, the future still looks bright...But Shula."

 

 

12 hours ago, panthers1234 said:

What do the experts and we really know? DG has like 30 years of experience and has a group of 20+ peeps going out and evaluating guys. I find it funny that some people on here actually think they know more than the panthers do. 

 

Plus he also subscribes to a Scouting Service. So he has a poo ton of resources at his disposal.

[shaqattaq]

17 hours ago, Saca312 said:

From what I'm reading, he doesn't like any tackles in this class. Doubtful he'll take one.

As far as "overvaluing" players, James Bradberry was great at #62, which was a late round pick. Bradberry was on plenty of draft boards picked in the higher 3rd round nearing draft week, as mockers started seeing his potential. I think walterfootball had him going to the Bucs as well in the 3rd.

Sure, he may appear to pick "high", but I can assure you those picks were worth it.

The good news is that 1 of his top 3-4 players should be available at 8.  A couple of QB's and players that G-man doesn't love will get grabbed early, and he'll be kid in a candy store. He'll score a day 1 starter.  Some huddlers will love it, some will hate it, but it will be exactly who Dave wants, not whats left after everyone else picks. I think Butler is going to be very good, but he WAS the last kid on the playground picked. 

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, rico6 said:

One was cut and the other really didn't stand out stat wise or performance wise against other rookies in his own draft class (Worley) so yeah.

I honestly don't think Bradberry was a reach, Worley was (especially trading down to get him)and Sanchez just baffles me altogether, but i can't tell you who was better at 141. At least Worley was a reach in round 3! How bad would it be to reach at # 8?? 

[uncfan888]

2 hours ago, mjligon said:

Says Who? You?

basically. you know people like him and CPK know more than gettleman. I really wish one of them was in charge

[Mvp2014]

18 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Hopefully you're right but as we have seen over and over and over again Gettleman value guys wayyyy different than we do and even other "experts".  Every single year he has drafted players several rounds ahead of where other people said they should go. So don't try to predict his moves

ahead of where the media says they should go maybe.  Theres no telling where they get drafted if we didn't draft them.  Bradberry might have been the next pick

[Mvp2014]

18 hours ago, Saca312 said:

From what I'm reading, he doesn't like any tackles in this class. Doubtful he'll take one.

As far as "overvaluing" players, James Bradberry was great at #62, which was a late round pick. Bradberry was on plenty of draft boards picked in the higher 3rd round nearing draft week, as mockers started seeing his potential. I think walterfootball had him going to the Bucs as well in the 3rd.

Sure, he may appear to pick "high", but I can assure you those picks were worth it.

Smokescreen.  We're picking a tackle in the 2-4th round

[Cpt slay a ho]

4 hours ago, mjligon said:

YEAH! Mel Kiper totally knows what he's talking about. Wish he were in charge.

good job you just proved my point, who outside of our ball club is going to consider our draft picks a reach???......oh yeah tv experts and draft analyst, so if we were to draft a ot in the first, who's going to consider it a reach other then fans and tv experts, you think DG is going to publicly admit he reach in a draft?LOL

 

and i've already stated tv experts and analyst opinions are moot, guess you glossed over that part 

[Black&Blue]

It's bizarre that so many Panther fans are still giving Gettleman the benefit of the doubt.

[heel31ok]

On 1/26/2017 at 10:28 PM, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don't get the whole I won't reach quote, most analysts and many experts consider some of his picks to be drafted rounds ahead of where they're projected.

The whole not reaching for ot's I get it but you gotta figure out some way to get a guy in here for the future. I just feel he has some rule book he strictly follows when drafting and it sounds good but doesn't make sense....


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[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Black&Blue said:

It's bizarre that so many Panther fans are still giving Gettleman the benefit of the doubt.

I think the guy has a very good eye for talent. So far, I think his flaw is trusting his pure BPA philosophy too much and trusting his ability to get production from rookies and bargain basement FAs. Ultimately, you want to add the best prospects you can in the draft, but at the same time, you have to have an eye on your roster. If you have massive holes, sometimes you have to shade a little more toward need. Maybe we saw that come to fruition a bit last year with him spamming picks on CBs. As for the bargain basement FAs, when you're relying on cast offs to play key roles at premium positions, don't he surprised if it doesn't work out.