Senior Bowl

[Captain Morgan]

what's the best place to read player reviews about practice and the game on the net?

[Untouchable]

14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not that it may matter much, because what I see is more of a one-trick pony speed receiver anyway, but WKU trumped up Taiwan Taylor's height too. He is only 5'11. That'd put him him in the "loser" column as far as measurables go (a two inch deficit).

He's going in the slot so those two inches aren't a big concern. I'm seeing several scouting reports note his reach and his routes. So I was referring to seeing the reach and catch radius confirmed by the long arms and wingspan.  Now we'll see what kind of word comes out about his routes during the practices. 

[ECUPantherFan]

Really excited to watch Zay Jones in this game.  

ECU has had some great Wide Receivers over the years, but Zay is definitely the most NFL-ready, NFL-prototypical WR that I've ever seen at ECU.  Dwayne Harris & Justin Hardy each have their own niche, with Harris going to his first Pro Bowl and Hardy being instrumental on the Super Bowl-bound Falcons roster, but I think Zay really has a chance to be better than both of them, and is a smarter player, too.

About the 1:27 mark... wow...

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

I'm not holding out much hope for an immediate OT upgrade out of the draft.  Everything I've read has talked about how talent poor the pool is.

Conversely, there is a poo ton of talent in the RB and DE ranks, which is pretty nice!  

As far as how this sets us up in the thinking about it process, we'll need to us FA for our OT depth.  I don't think we're going to get an immediate tackle upgrade right now.  Maybe a developmental player for the future.

I think a lot of it is due to the fact that a lot of the guys with the ideal measurements and athleticism to play OT end up on the defensive side of the ball. At the HS and college level, where do those guys have the biggest impact? Protecting a possibly mediocre QB and paving holes for a possibly mediocre RB or wreaking havoc on the opposing offense? OL are enablers. They help other players make plays. They make no plays themselves. Dominant defenders disrupt opposing offenses.

I get it. If I have a freak athlete who's 6'6" 300+ pounds with long ass arms and elite athleticism for a man that big, I'm putting him on defense because that's where he's likely going to have the biggest impact for my team. I might change that thought process if I have an elite QB recruit coming in with him.

[d-dave]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think a lot of it is due to the fact that a lot of the guys with the ideal measurements and athleticism to play OT end up on the defensive side of the ball. At the HS and college level, where do those guys have the biggest impact? Protecting a possibly mediocre QB and paving holes for a possibly mediocre RB or wreaking havoc on the opposing offense? OL are enablers. They help other players make plays. They make no plays themselves. Dominant defenders disrupt opposing offenses.

I get it. If I have a freak athlete who's 6'6" 300+ pounds with long ass arms and elite athleticism for a man that big, I'm putting him on defense because that's where he's likely going to have the biggest impact for my team. I might change that thought process if I have an elite QB recruit coming in with him.

True, but it could also just be that these guys aren't that great.  Last year was better for OTs than DEs, if I remember correctly.  For tackles, they have to have the feet to be successful.  Byron Bell has slow feet, no matter what handed he was.

I'm not sure I'd take a stud OT prospect and turn him into a DE.  I don't know much about athletic bodies of 20 year old men (OK, nothing), but I bet that a kid who is a great tackle prospect may not be a sure fire DE/DT.  Think of a stud DE, they tend to be much more explosive compared to a OT prospect.  Not that there aren't any explosive OTs in the NFL (T. Armstead and the kid out of Dallas), but they look a little different from the outside than a guy in the Julius Peppers mold.

[LinvilleGorge]

Think about how unreal Peppers would've been as an OT. He had everything you'd want. Just put another 25-30 pounds on his frame.

My point was that those types of athletes never even get a look at OT. They play defense.

[ecu88]

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-practice-west-team-page

TE from someone who posted a thread on

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Name:  Michael Roberts	School:  Toledo
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Mon:  Roberts had some wow moments today.  He looks like a man amongst boys, ran solid routes and caught the ball well.  I saw one drop all day.  Speed is an issue as Roberts is only an intermediate range target at best.
Tues:  Another really good day for Roberts.  He blocks like an offensive tackle and destroyed everyone they sent his way in drills.  He also catches the ball well and laid out to make a terrific catch down the seam in full scrimmage.
Wed:  Another terrific all around performance for Roberts.  Blocking and pass catching aside, his route running was also NFL caliber though his speed is a big question.
Analysis:  In a lot of ways Roberts is a throw back tight end who reminds me of former New York Giant Howard Cross.   He blocks like and offensive lineman, catches the ball well and gets the most from his ability.  What he doesn’t have, and will never have, is pure speed.  As a result Robert will be a last day pick but I fully expect him to be a productive player on Sunday’s.

My OT crush

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Name:  Storm Norton	School:  Toledo
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Mon: Storm Norton was outmatched in a battle of strength multiple times in today’s one-on-one drills. He was able to highlight his length and quickness a few times, specifically in his pass set. Interested to see what he shows when run blocking in the coming days.
Tues: Norton had slow hands in today’s offensive line positional drills, but maintained quickness in his feet, throughout the day. His run drive was strong, but a little high at times. He has the measurable and just needs to play a little stronger when pass blocking.
Wed:  Norton was inconsistent throughout the day. He lost his footing a few times early in practice, but a few reps later he performed a textbook reach block on Avery Moss. When he run blocks, Norton moves efficiently to the second level. If he was able to engage the defender, he typically came out victorious.
Analysis:  Norton is an inconsistent prospect. He’s very tall and has quick feet, which show in his pass set and run drive. He has great height but could stand to add more weight to his frame. Norton has good technique but needs to be quicker in his hands and have better control.

RB prospect

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Name:  Joe Williams	School:  Utah
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Mon:   Williams had his moments today.  He was probably the fastest perimeter ball carrier from either squad and ran hard all day.  He flashed foot quickness and some ability to create.  Overall it was a plus day for him.
Tues:  Except for his blocking it was another solid day for Williams.  He has a terrific burst and pops through the hole, moving with speed in every direction.  Williams lacks much strength in his running and was consistently brought down by a single defender.
Wed:  Probably the best back of the day.  His burst through the hole is impressive and Williams plays at terrific speed.  Showed little strength in his ball carrying.
Analysis:  It was good to see Williams at Shrine practice and I loved his speed on the inside as well as his ability to turn the perimeter.  His pass catching skills were average and his on-again, off-again retirement is something that raised red flags with the scouts in attendance.

Other prospects:

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Name:  Avery Moss	School:  Youngstown State
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Mon: Avery Moss played tremendously today, displaying his quickness when changing direction and in footwork drills. He showed quick hands in the one-on-one drills, too. He has good field awareness and is quick to the ball. One weakness in Moss’s game is his control, at times he found himself stumbling.
Tues:Moss continued to show off his quickness, coming around the edge. He was fast off the ball and displayed strong hands, when shedding blocks. At times, his pad level seemed a little high, but it did not largely impact his play. Moss needs to control himself more, as it was a weakness of his, again.
Wed:  Moss was able to highlight his quickness during the team period. He came off the ball very fast and had a quick initial punch. He showed that he was coachable in the positional drills when his change of direction was quickly made more efficient throughout reps. Control is still an issue.
Analysis:  Avery Moss was very quick all week. He played every play at 100 miles an hour and seems to have a high football IQ, constantly being around the ball. As a result of his high speed play style, his technique seems to suffer a bit, but he proved to be coachable, improving different facets of the game, quickly, during positional drills. However, he needs to be able to play under control.

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Name:  Deatrich Wise Jr	School:  Arkansas
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Mon: Wise was very quick off the ball every play. He displayed incredibly high effort all practice and was able to highlight his quickness, often. When tasked with getting lower, his mobility did suffer. In one-on-ones he found more success relying on speed than strength.
Tues: Wise showed great athleticism throughout practice. He was very quick off the ball and used his hands well. He got good extension when taking on run blockers in the 11-on-11 period and was able to shed when not engaged. He was able to quickly take on and get rid of pulling blockers before they could engage him. Wise’s strength, however, needs improvement, as he was overpowered on occasion.
Wed:  Deatrich Wise looked very athletic throughout practice. He was fast off the ball and shot his hands well. He was able to get extension from blockers and shed Avery Gennesy during the team period with ease. During positional drills, several scouts commented on Wise playing rather tall.
Analysis:  Deatrich Wise proved himself to be a great athlete. He’s lightning fast off the ball and has strong violent hands. He displayed very quick feet throughout positional drills and uses his length very well. He plays tall, which is a big setback, but if he can lower his body without sacrificing quickness or mobility, Wise could see some success at the next level.

 

[ecu88]

Fug the formatting :-p

[imminent rogaine]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

"Running back Jamaal Williams, BYU: He might get lost in a deep class of running backs on draft day, but in this game he has a chance to showcase his abilities. At 6-2 and 220 pounds, BYU’s all-time leading rusher appears to be the complete package as a runner, receiver and blocker. The latter is particularly important to the Panthers."

Def has a little Matt Forte in him

[stirs]

http://gbnreport.com/senior-bowl-weigh-review/

[TheSpecialJuan]

Every player is scouted here:

http://draftanalyst.com/

[ecu88]

2 hours ago, stirs said:

http://gbnreport.com/senior-bowl-weigh-review/

I am intrigued with  Julien Davenport OL

[bobcat91]

Fred Ross has already met with Dallas twice so far. Like us they usually meet with guys they eventually draft.

[CPantherKing]

Donnel Pumphrey is the player to watch. Yes he is small, but so was Warrick Dunn, Steve Smith, and Barry Sanders.

Shula did very well with Warrick Dunn.

This is the best back in the draft. Do not underestimate him like people did Steve Smith. He plays physical and will punish defenders.