USA Today's Matthew Stevens on fixing the WR corps.

[Cpt slay a ho]

We've tried this before, although KB shows he can do it I've yet to see anything from funchess showing he can box out cb's or go up and grab the ball at its highest point, cam threw a fade to him vs the saints earlier this season and the CB ran a better route then him, funchess isn't there yet as far as running those routes and using his catch radius. KB just needs to work on his route running, can't throw a back shoulder pass when he's jogging in and out of his breaks.


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[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Idk bout Kerley or Wright other than camp competition. Kerley was surprising this year but Wright has always looked awful to me. He is slow and small. I'd rather use funch or philly in the slot than Wright.

Stills is a good one. I wonder what it would take to nab him. I'd think he's probably cheaper than Ginn right?

I don't know if he'd be cheaper, but he shouldn't be breaking anyone's bank. I would think that if not cheaper, then he should be in the same ballpark. Ginn has always been paid more, but he is advancing in age. That and the fact that the Panthers probably put a higher value on him than the rest of the NFL, of course means we'd likely pay him more than he'll be able to command somewhere else. But with Stills being younger, other teams may value his services more than Ginn's, but not to the level where we'd pay Ginn, which I assume will be around the 2 mil per year range (give or take a mil), and I don't see Stills getting that, but you never know. At worse, I think the two will offset because of our inflated value of Ginny's worth, and Stills' real market value, if you understand what I'm saying.

[top dawg]

53 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

We've tried this before, although KB shows he can do it I've yet to see anything from funchess showing he can box out cb's or go up and grab the ball at its highest point, cam threw a fade to him vs the saints earlier this season and the CB ran a better route then him, funchess isn't there yet as far as running those routes and using his catch radius. KB just needs to work on his route running, can't throw a back shoulder pass when he's jogging in and out of his breaks.


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I am not going to keep arguing with people about whether Funchess can run good routes, because I absolutely know that he can. I know what I see. Anyway, here is a video of his rookie year (seems no one has made one of his second season, @Lilsmitty09). There is no way you're telling me that he can't highpoint a ball (see 1:00 and 2:40).

Well, hell, if the vid don't work, here is the link.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=doyuFrONsUo

 

[KDawg004]

One thing is for sure. There's going to be a lot of options on the market this offseason. There's absolutely no reason for the Panthers not to go out and upgrade. 

Ginn has been productive but it's time to move on. DJax would be a dream come true. But Stills would also be an affordable and young upgrade who has better hands than Ginn.

[Soul Rebel]

I know DG stays away from making the big plunge in FA, but this year I think will be different. He mentioned in his presser when asked about FA that he has spent money in NY.... they brought in Plaxico, Antonio Pierce and Kareem McKenzie in '05 (won the SB in '07). 

With JPP commanding ridiculous money on the market, no impact LT available and Berry likely resigning in KC (DG doesn't spend big on the secondary), I could see DJax being our Plaxico-esque signing. 

I think DG has seen that you do have to spend in FA or at least look to fill holes in FA to get to the SB. He was cash strapped for a few years, gambled on bringing back the same team more or less last year (which I actually don't fault him on), so I think we will see a different approach. 

DJax is EXACTLY what this team needs at WR. A savvy veteran speedster that can blow by defenses and keep them honest with KB/Olsen/Funch. God forbid we add Fournette in the draft and this offense will be right back at the top in the league.

Kenny Stills is another guy that I like as well. Cordarelle could be a buy low option that improves the slot and ST. 

In trades, I wonder what JAX would want for Lee? This time last year he was on the bottom, but man, he came on strong towards the end of the year. He's probably more of a lock for their future core, but if he could be had for a mid rounder, I'd be all for it.

[Darvinsun]

3 hours ago, top dawg said:

I don't know if he'd be cheaper, but he shouldn't be breaking anyone's bank. I would think that if not cheaper, then he should be in the same ballpark. Ginn has always been paid more, but he is advancing in age. That and the fact that the Panthers probably put a higher value on him than the rest of the NFL, of course means we'd likely pay him more than he'll be able to command somewhere else. But with Stills being younger, other teams may value his services more than Ginn's, but not to the level where we'd pay Ginn, which I assume will be around the 2 mil per year range (give or take a mil), and I don't see Stills getting that, but you never know. At worse, I think the two will offset because of our inflated value of Ginny's worth, and Stills' real market value, if you understand what I'm saying.

Nobody wants Ginn but the panthers.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I am not going to keep arguing with people about whether Funchess can run good routes, because I absolutely know that he can. I know what I see. Anyway, here is a video of his rookie year (seems no one has made one of his second season, @Lilsmitty09). There is no way you're telling me that he can't highpoint a ball (see 1:00 and 2:40).

[/url] Well, hell, if the vid don't work, here is the link.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=doyuFrONsUo

 

Video didn't work, but overall I think funchess is the better route runner, just fade routes or passes that require him to box defenders out is what I rarely see. Also could be due to lack of snaps, but KB is known for high pointing the ball and using his body to shield away defenders. I just don't think funchess is there yet from a receiver stand point


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[top dawg]

35 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Video didn't work, but overall I think funchess is the better route runner, just fade routes or passes that require him to box defenders out is what I rarely see. Also could be due to lack of snaps, but KB is known for high pointing the ball and using his body to shield away defenders. I just don't think funchess is there yet from a receiver stand point


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Oh, I absolutely agree that KB uses his body better than Funchess, and is overall more physical, which gives him an overall advantage for now). Moreover, clearly he has more chemistry with Cam (for better or for worse). Where I think that we may disagree is that I think that Funchess is a better route runner than KB from my observation.

[shaqattaq]

18 hours ago, csx said:

That's funny. Olsen is always wide open.

 

Olsen is a god-like talent, and cannot not be used to compare others to.

Also, he was in the league 6 years before he started putting up above average numbers. He took time to develop into the beast he is today. http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10475/greg-olsen

[shaqattaq]

6 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

I wish we could land a traditional, professional WR via FA or trade. Someone like

Allen Robinson - not being used in shitty Jags offense and not happy. Possibly trade?

Jeremy Maclin - not being used in KC offense and possibly a cap casualty if KC wants to keep both Berry and Poe.

Brandon Marshall - not being used in shitty Jets offense and likely to be released.

All of these guys would instantly be the best WR on our team.   They all run infinitely better routes and have infinitely better hands than any wr on our team.  One problem with adding folks is always cost (picks and/or salary). The other problem that is specific to the Panthers is the make up of our WR corp. There really isn't any room for these guys unless we intend on sitting Funch.  We have big slow guys. Robinson and Marshall similar in that regard. Maclin is a little smaller and speedier but still isn't a burner. 

I guess my point is that even if there were very good, well rounded WRs out there, we have really pigeon-holed ourselves into looking for one specific type of WR - a speed guy. Maybe Byrd is that guy. I don't know who else, in that mold, would be available besides Jackson. Idk that he really presents a value.

I like the idea of Brandon Marshall. He and Funchess have identical body types. Having a proven vet to mentor KB and FunFun  could really help them progress. I doubt the Jets pay him $7.5 mil, and hopefully we could get him for a lot less than that on a 2 year deal. Let thew 3 of them, Ginn, and either Byrd/Philly/3-4th rd pick (I like Switzer from UNC) be our receiving corps. 

[EricBerry]

If fans and outside media all seem to agree on what the issues are, at what point does the organization/ play caller adapt? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Oh, I absolutely agree that KB uses his body better than Funchess, and is overall more physical, which gives him an overall advantage for now). Moreover, clearly he has more chemistry with Cam (for better or for worse). Where I think that we may disagree is that I think that Funchess is a better route runner than KB from my observation.

Oh we don't disagree funchess is the better route runner, he's just fluid in his breaks and cuts, I even stated earlier that's KB main fault,jogging in and out of breaks. I think KB gets away with using his pure physical traits while funchess is overall better in his fundamentals, if KB learns how to run routes like funchess and funchess learns how to use his body correctly and consistently like KB, it will open up the offense a lot more


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[panthers55]

Are there stats out there that indicate what routes we used most often and how many completions occured on which route and by which receiver. 

That still wouldn't help if Newton ignores a wide open short route and holds the ball trying to get more, but it would give context to this whole discussion and help determine who needs an upgrade and what plays we should or shouldn't be running.

[EricBerry]

Did Fun Fun really drop off tho ?

 

Source: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/devin-funchess-16764/stats-valuation/

STATISTICS

SEASON	GA	GP	GS	SNAPS	TGT	REC	REC YDS	YDS/REC	REC TD	FUM	PROD PTS
2016	15	15	7	492	58	23	371	16.1	4	0	63.1
2015	16	16	5	493	63	31	473	15.3	5	1	75.3