KK wants 17 million a year?

[AU-panther]

I'm not saying just offer $17m now, but at some point we do have to spend some money on someone.  We can afford him and others now.

[Guest Lasus83]

What exactly did people expect?  Good players expect to get paid as much as the last good player that signed.  With the cap going up each season they usually ask for a little more.

I expect the same out of Turner when it comes time to negotiate.  Are people going to think it is crazy to pay him $10m a year?

Top 4-3 DTs:

Suh $19m, Cox $17, and Jackson $14m. 

People get all worked up over this.  He has every right to ask for $17m.  The team has every right to not pay it.  The team can offer what every they feel is fair.  He doesn't have to take it.  He can always wait until he is a free agent, which would be next year if the team decides to tag him.

According to the link he wants $17m

For the sake of discussion lets assume the team wants to pay $14-$15m.

They agree somewhere between those two numbers or they tag him.  If he waits until he is a free agent that is probably his best opportunity to get maximum money, since multiple teams can bid on him.

If he takes a little less to sign now I don't think of it as a "hometown discount" its more of a "let me take my money now just incase I get hurt during the season".  Basically you trade a little bit of the overall money to get a deal done a year earlier.

2 things the team has to decide:

Is he a top 3 player at his position?  If yes then he deserves top 3 money.

Even if he deserves it  that doesn't mean the team has to pay it.  Every team values certain positions more then others and also every team can decide how they want to allocate their resources.

 

Solid arguement.

To the turner point, I will be on board with paying him.

Young, probowler, versatile, mean and I cant recall him being injured... im sure he has been... just can't recall.

Norwell has been good too.



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[pantherclaw]

7 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Per Rotoworld.

 

If this is true...dueces!

 

Panthers would do right by themselves to keep Addison and all the other linemen and draft Dline this year as well. Move in Butler inside.

 

Solomon Thomas would be a key addition as well. 

 

Would a tag and trade scenario work or do those usually don't? I don't remember it ever working out in the draft?

There is literally nothing new to be known from that link. That is the same information from before the season begun.

[aussiePanther]

7 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Alright, I've been notorious for not reading whole stories when I post trash on the tinderbox, so I'll fact check this statement:

This is old news. KK looked for that price range last season, and really they need somewhere to start.

This is a report assuming that KK is looking for Cox money as well, and does not mention his agent or himself speaking of $17million.

Hold your horses on this one.

So even more that this, the source Rotoworld has for this quote:

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"If it happens, it happens," Short added. "I need to be professional about the whole situation."Every player would like to land a long-term deal and avoid the tag, but that might not be possible in this situation. Short is likely looking for a deal near the $17 million per Fletcher Cox landed from the Eagles, and the Panthers were reportedly not willing to go over $15 million annually last summer. Like with Josh Norman last offseason, the Panthers could be headed toward an extended standoff with one of their top defensive players. For what it is worth, Short did say he would sign the franchise tender if it came to that, but a report was quickly leaked to Pro Football Talk walking that comment back.

is this Charlotte Observer article

But that article doesn't contain (or at least no longer contains) ANYTHING about "looking for a deal near the $17 million per Fletcher Cox":

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“If it happens, it happens. I can't come here and cuss out the organization because it happened. I need to be professional about the whole situation.”

But if the Panthers did use it, Short was asked, would he sign it right away so he and the Panthers were obligated to each other at least through 2017?

“We would discuss it and, most likely, I probably would,” Short said.

 

So where'd the $17M figure come from? If it ever existed it was Fowler's guess at what KK's camp starting point would be based on a previous contract. It was never mentioned by KK or his camp.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

Tag price for a DT in 2016 was $13.6M. Up $2.5M from 2015.

There's no way tag is gonna be "$13 and change."

I think you are right. The projected franchise tag for DTS looks to be 17 for the exclusive tag and 14 for the transition tag. I guess that makes his asking amount of 17 look like a deal in a year or two. Prices are getting crazy.

[SIGCHI222]

If he performs over the next 2-4 years...this will look like a steal in 2021.

[rico6]

I bet DG is fuming that Butler didn't perform at a Star Lotulelei(sp?) rookie level. His leverage just got flushed down the toilet.

Gettles pulled Norman's card because he thought Norman was a product of the front 7 (Star, KK Luke etc..) and believed his production could be marginally replaced with rookies, I don't see him pulling that poo again. Added with Butler projecting to a 2-3 year development I see Gman folding.

KK resigns.

[rico6]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

I don't see any way we pay $17M per year. He doesn't have the leverage Cox did at age 25. If we tag Short, he'll be 29 looking for his big deal. Cox signed his extension when he was 25, meaning that he would be 29 in his 4th year of the 6 year extension. Short will be 29 in year 1. Not saying Short won't play well at 29, but that in no way can he expect a Cox type deal. I am hoping he and his agent get that and we come to a good deal where both sides are happy.

Before people bring up Norman, who was 28, his guarantee makes it a 3 year deal, not a 4 year deal like Cox (another $13M guaranteed over Norman). I think DG might be OK with a deal that is basically a 3 year $15-16M deal. Only 2 years beyond the tag this year and not a huge risk.

Solid post.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, rico6 said:

I bet DG is fuming that Butler didn't perform at a Star Lotulelei(sp?) rookie level. His leverage just got flushed down the toilet.

Gettles pulled Norman's card because he thought Norman was a product of the front 7 (Star, KK Luke etc..) and believed his production could be marginally replaced with rookies, I don't see him pulling that poo again. Added with Butler projecting to a 2-3 year development I see Gman folding.

KK resigns.

Butler was never leverage, he was insurance.

[DaveThePanther2008]

If were going to pay him 17 million we would have already had him under contract.  He is a good player and a core player but not so critical we are going to over pay for him.   Butler is a back up plan and IMO will shine just as good.  He is going to be a solid DT and will play well next to Star.   I would focus more on keeping Star at this point.

I want KK to stay but there is no way in hell we cough up that much.

[Catufb85]

If he does want $17 million a year, I just can't see Gettleman pulling the trigger yet again.  I would expect a tag and trade would be the best outcome for us (other than signing him)  but if we let him just walk again... The uprise of Huddle will be astronomical.  I hope we can get something beneficial done with KK.  But Butler was drafted in my mind for this exact situation. 

 

[carpanfan96]

Knew this was about what he was going to want yearly. I said it in the offseason, blame Jacksonville gor resetting the salary at the DT position. 

[Anybodyhome]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

Knew this was about what he was going to want yearly. I said it in the offseason, blame Jacksonville gor resetting the salary at the DT position. 

Not really. 

Top 5 DT salaries in 2016:

Suh (Miami): $19.06M

Cox: (Philly): $17.1M

Dareus (Buffalo): $16.09M

McCoy (Tampa Bay): $15.87M

Jackson (Jax): $14.25M

If this number holds up, the franchise tag for a DT will be around $16.5M in 2017. If KK wants $17M, just go ahead and pay him since he'd be getting about that regardless and use the tag somewhere else or not at all. 

 

[top dawg]

Yeah, I'm starting to look at the numbers and the grades, and honestly KK is not outside the ballpark. If we don't pay him, and decide that we just want to rent him for a year, then tag him. But if we plan on keeping him, then no need to kick the can down the road. Pay him his money now, that in a couple of years will be a good cap number.