Mel Kiper Mock 1.0: Leonard Fournette be a Panther.

[Shocker]

i watched the Bama vs Texas AM game and if Garrett is the number 1 pick i want Cam Robinson.  Dude dominated.

 

Also, tend to agree on Barnett dropping.  Unreal production in great league but doesnt have ideal measurables.  Especially top 10 wise.

 

 

[dave-o]

I havent read this thread but I think we should do like the Cowgirls did for a few years and select O-Line !!  

[Ivan The Awesome]

Daniel Jeremiah's Mock  has us taking him as well. Only thing I don't like is his injuries. That's a red flag. I don't think Gman will bite. 

[nctarheel0619]

2 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Daniel Jeremiah's Mock  has us taking him as well. Only thing I don't like is his injuries. That's a red flag. I don't think Gman will bite. 

Ha, he's clearly the best player coming out of College besides the DE from A&M.  He'll bite real hard if he's there.  LOL at injury woes for a once in a lifetime back.  LOLZ.  

[Ivan The Awesome]

11 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Ha, he's clearly the best player coming out of College besides the DE from A&M.  He'll bite real hard if he's there.  LOL at injury woes for a once in a lifetime back.  LOLZ.  

DG doesn't take gambles like those. Low risk High reward are more down his alley. What you're talking about is high risk high reward. Not his M.O. 

[OldNorthPowell]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

DG doesn't take gambles like those. Low risk High reward are more down his alley. What you're talking about is high risk high reward. Not his M.O. 

All the best teams take risks from time to time. Only way this franchise will win a SB is by having a consistent offense.

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

All the best teams take risks from time to time. Only way this franchise will win a SB is by having a consistent offense.

What risks have the pats, Packers, Steelers or even the Falcons taken that were huge that could have blown up in their face?

 

Only team I can think with your scenario is the Chiefs (Hill) and they are out of the playoff picture. (even then hill when he was taken was in the 5th round. Not really a huge risk. not a lot of 5th round picks pan out.)

[OldNorthPowell]

Just now, Ivan The Awesome said:

What risks have the pats, Packers, Steelers or even the Falcons taken that were huge that could have blown up in their face?

 

Only team I can think with your scenario is the Chiefs (Hill) and they are out of the playoff picture. 

From what I understand one risk was the Falcons with Julio Jones who has had injury issues if I am correct. Also, the Steelers rolled the dice with not getting a solid back up QB behind Big Ben to cover other areas instead. Even though Big Ben is getting more injury prone. Pats take risks cheating lol. Still taking risks just not ethical ones.

[Ivan The Awesome]

5 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

From what I understand one risk was the Falcons with Julio Jones who has had injury issues if I am correct. Also, the Steelers rolled the dice with not getting a solid back up QB behind Big Ben to cover other areas instead. Even though Big Ben is getting more injury prone. Pats take risks cheating lol. Still taking risks just not ethical ones.

 

Falcons I'll give you but how many times did Julio end up in IR until he finally fixed his injuries via surgery? Right now it's paying off for them. Which is rare.

 

Steelers didn't need to roll the dice because they got several pieces and revamped that offensive line, finding Villanueva, upgrading that line did wonders to big ben and finding Le'Veon Bell to take the heat off him and of course, retaining Antonio Brown. Also their OC isn't an idiot and designs quick passing plays. he's been relatively injury free because of those upgrades. Somethign that could be done for Cam.

 

Pats do take risks by cheating that's a whole different animal, I'm talking about drafting players and not actually bending the rules of the game to benefit you as a whole. So yeah...lol. 

 

You left out the packers.

 

Do any of you remember Marcus Lattimore? How he was going to be like the next AP and all that. He shattered his knee and the 49ers took a 4th round flyer on him. He's not playing anymore right now. He's actually in Columbia, sitting on the couch, watching football like us. 

 

What's Fournettes knock? Injuries. What kind of injuries? High ankle sprain. While there are very common among athletes. Some don't ever recover from them. Jonathan Stewart was one of them. His toes as well, until he had surgeries. Personally I'm weary of athletes with High ankle sprains that don't recover in the amount of time they should. I guess if he goes to the combine and shines will help his case. As of now. I don't want him in the back field because of that red flag. I'm sure the staff will test him and whatever workouts will apply emphasis on his ankles. If he's cleared and DG picks him, I'm all for it. 

[OldNorthPowell]

4 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

 

Falcons I'll give you but how many times did Julio end up in IR until he finally fixed his injuries via surgery? Right now it's paying off for them. Which is rare.

 

Steelers didn't need to roll the dice because they got several pieces and revamped that offensive line, finding Villanueva, upgrading that line did wonders to big ben and finding Le'Veon Bell to take the heat off him and of course, retaining Antonio Brown. Also their OC isn't an idiot and designs quick passing plays. he's been relatively injury free because of those upgrades. Somethign that could be done for Cam.

 

Pats do take risks by cheating that's a whole different animal, I'm talking about drafting players and not actually bending the rules of the game to benefit you as a whole. So yeah...lol. 

 

You left out the packers.

 

Do any of you remember Marcus Lattimore? How he was going to be like the next AP and all that. He shattered his knee and the 49ers took a 4th round flyer on him. He's not playing anymore right now. He's actually in Columbia, sitting on the couch, watching football like us. 

 

What's Fournettes knock? Injuries. What kind of injuries? High ankle sprain. While there are very common among athletes. Some don't ever recover from them. Jonathan Stewart was one of them. His toes as well, until he had surgeries. Personally I'm weary of athletes with High ankle sprains that don't recover in the amount of time they should. I guess if he goes to the combine and shines will help his case. As of now. I don't want him in the back field because of that red flag. I'm sure the staff will test him and whatever workouts will apply emphasis on his ankles. If he's cleared and DG picks him, I'm all for it. 

In the end we can agree to disagree. Teams do take risks even we have. It is how a team gains an advantage over the other teams. Panthers took a chance on a CB last draft out of Samford college that almost nobody had going in the second and I do believe third round. Looks like that move may be a good one and it was a risk. Of course the Pats are not a good example lol just being sarcastic. I believe injury concerns are warranted but it is always going to be a risk issue with plenty of good players whether it is player character, strength, injury concerns, and etc.

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

In the end we can agree to disagree. Teams do take risks even we have. It is how a team gains an advantage over the other teams. Panthers took a chance on a CB last draft out of Samford college that almost nobody had going in the second and I do believe third round. Looks like that move may be a good one and it was a risk. Of course the Pats are not a good example lol just being sarcastic. I believe injury concerns are warranted but it is always going to be a risk issue with plenty of good players whether it is player character, strength, injury concerns, and etc.

I never said we don't take risks. I am well aware that every team takes risks. I'm talking about High Risk High Reward ones. Throughout DG"s tenure I can't place one on his moves in that category. The closest I would say would probably be taking Kugbila in the 4th with known injury issues and if memory serves he was touted as one of the best linemen in that draft but his knock was injuries as well. 

 

Bradberry wasn't really a risk because he was among the top CB's even though he went to a small school. 

 

Remmers, Norwell were small risks, high rewards. KB wasn't really a risk in a draft full of great WR. He took a risk letting Smith go, it worked out. Took a risk letting DeAngelo go, that is 50/50. Stewart hasn't finished a season healthy and his other draft picks have been either back ups back up or stolen by the pats. 

 

But yeah, I haven't seen him take a huge risk/Huge reward type of deal. Not to my knowledge. 

[Icebox]

It would really, really suck if the Saints get Foster and the Falcons get Barnette.

[Nails]

3 minutes ago, Icebox said:

It would really, really suck if the Saints get Foster and the Falcons get Barnette.

The Saints may get Foster.  So what.  We'll have a player we value more at a position of greater need.  The Saints look to be a lower-middling team for the foreseeable future-not good enough to do anything of note but just good enough to stay at arm's length of elite talent.  It's a beautiful thing.

The Falcons aren't getting Barnett unless they trade Matthew to one of the QB needy teams in the top 6 for their pick.  Fat chance.

[OldNorthPowell]

3 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

I never said we don't take risks. I am well aware that every team takes risks. I'm talking about High Risk High Reward ones. Throughout DG"s tenure I can't place one on his moves in that category. The closest I would say would probably be taking Kugbila in the 4th with known injury issues and if memory serves he was touted as one of the best linemen in that draft but his knock was injuries as well. 

 

Bradberry wasn't really a risk because he was among the top CB's even though he went to a small school. 

 

Remmers, Norwell were small risks, high rewards. KB wasn't really a risk in a draft full of great WR. He took a risk letting Smith go, it worked out. Took a risk letting DeAngelo go, that is 50/50. Stewart hasn't finished a season healthy and his other draft picks have been either back ups back up or stolen by the pats. 

 

But yeah, I haven't seen him take a huge risk/Huge reward type of deal. Not to my knowledge. 

Oh I agree about most of that but could you point me to mocks that had Bradberry going in the 2nd round. I did not see those but I could be wrong. I was not a fan of DG's picks this past draft in the 1st and 3rd round. Being honest I didn't like Bradberry till I seen him play and he looks like he is worth the 2nd round pick. I consider that to be a risky pick that MAY pan out. Fournette is being hyped as the next AP type of running back and if that is true he may not even last to our pick but then again Lukkeeeeeeeeee did last to our 9th pick awhile back. Injury concerns could become a factor but if we pass on him and a team gets him and he becomes a star I sure hope who we draft can out produce him or it will be a fail story.