Coaching philosophy concern

[pantherclaw]

Don't know how anyone took it the way the OP did. 

 He was emphasizing playing to our players strengths, and execution. 

Doesn't matter what scheme is used, if execution isn't there, then there is failure.

[outlaw4]

13 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Do the Pats out-scheme people, or does Belichick acquire smart players that fit his scheme, observe tendencies, and use specific players to exploit specific things that he see's as weaknesses in opponents' schemes from week to week? There is a difference, even if subtle.

It's been my inclination that Belichick churns through players every year to keep his opponents guessing. In other words, how can you gameplan against something that changes so often?

On the flip side, all his schemes were not that effective against Denver in the playoffs last year. Scheme can be beaten by superior talent.

1 minute ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Personally I think it was meant that our scheme isn't going to beat you but our execution will. 

Basically, do your job and do it well. We had done it before with surefire tackling. Not last season, though.

[Fox007]

Fox said the same thing and lo and behold here comes Rivera as Fox 2.0.

Of course they don't try to out-scheme or try to find ways to maximize a mismatch. They just think you can line up and just beat NFL players every time without trying to find their weak link and exploit it. You should be used to this the Panthers have been doing this for 15 years and the outcome? No back to back winning seasons yet....

Maybe they should try that there scheming plays for people besides Ginn on an end around.

Same team that does 7 step drops vs Denver....the whole game....even after Halftime....when you see the images and tape....lol...it's comical honestly.

Adjustments....wuz dat? we just run our base and pray...if it isn't working we aren't fixing it.

 

[PantherPhann89]

3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

Something was said in Steve Wilks Q&A that has me concerned and I believe it has to do with Ron's overall coaching philosophy.  

 

He stated something along the lines of; were not going to try and out-scheme our opponents.   

 

He said this like it was meant to be a comforting stance.   It really got me thinking about our coaching staff and their overall philosophy.   Does Ron not emphasize individually tailored game plans based on an opponents strengths and weaknesses?  IMO,  it would explain a lot about our predictably and lack of in-game adjustments.   Does that statement concern you or am I reading too much into it? 

No he doesnt and so our coaching staff dont either. This is why we dont change or adapt during games bc we're trying to force our will even though its not working. We bring tbe same, game after game. Once defenses know it, they'll beat everytime, well 10 times. So no, our coaches did go dumb after 1 season, they already were...

[Paa Langfart]

I said last year after the SB loss that we lost because we were out coached.  Apparently that is ok with the gm and owner.

[ok2h8pep]

I didn't like how he attempted to minimize McD's loss by stating that (paraphrasing) "I was a big part of that past success". That seemed napoleonic to me.   Maybe he was just a little nervous with the whole press conference thing or maybe I just misread his delivery.  I hope so. 

I was hoping for a shake up in coaching staff.  It's pretty rare for someone not named Tom Landry, Marv Levy, or Bill Belichick to get the same team back into the superb owl within 2 years of losing it.

 

[Snake]

I think it was more about not over scheming but still this team could use a bit more imo. 

[top dawg]

31 minutes ago, stbugs said:

He absolutely outschemes teams IMHO. Yes, he acquires players he likes, but go look at all the Indy playoff games. Blount has played 6 playoff games. In 4, he has 3, 5, 8 and 14 carries and no TDs. In 2 games against Indy, he has 54 (30 and 24) carries, 314 yards and 7 TDs. In 3 1/2 years with NE, he has 6 games with 24 or more carries (3 at 24) and 2 of them are against Indy in the playoffs and both were blowout wins.

There are likely a lot more examples than that, but that is one of the examples that I remember well. He absolutely works on finding weaknesses in key games and will do things he normally does not do. Does it always work, no, but as posted above, how many 2015 Denver defenses does one face?

Just look at this year. Brady suspended, no Gronk, very little at WR past Edelman and Lewis hurt almost all year and we get Blount with 299 carries, setting career highs in yards, carries and TDs and they are 14-2. 3 of Blount's 4 highest carries games were when Brady was suspended. Some of that is working with what you've got, but he still exploits weaknesses. We just try to overpower other teams. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Like our record and our first halves/second halves, we are very inconsistent.

I don't think that means he's using a plethora of schemes per game, as much as he has already scouted out and analyzed weaknesses in the opposition's scheme and personnel, and figured out how to exploit the perceived weakness within variations of his own scheme or system, but I am not going to try and split hairs.

[KillerKat]

5-11 season incoming. Wasting away the talents of Kuechly and Newton yet again.

[top dawg]

16 minutes ago, ok2h8pep said:

I didn't like how he attempted to minimize McD's loss by stating that (paraphrasing) "I was a big part of that past success". That seemed napoleonic to me.   Maybe he was just a little nervous with the whole press conference thing or maybe I just misread his delivery.  I hope so. 

I was hoping for a shake up in coaching staff.  It's pretty rare for someone not named Tom Landry, Marv Levy, or Bill Belichick to get the same team back into the superb owl within 2 years of losing it.

 

He said that the defense has been a collaborative effort, and that he played a large part in the loop. Nothing necessarily wrong with that.

Remember that it was Wilks who was officially the Assistant Head Coach. The guy obviously confident and knowledgeable about our defense, and more. "Napoleonic?"  I don't know, but it made me laugh.

[Tarheels23]

You'll end up with a bunch of 12 men on the field penalties trying to out scheme Aaron Rodgers.

Defense is different than offense, you can't out scheme the greats. It's all about getting everyone lined up and execution. 

That's what's wrong with guys like Rex and Rob Ryan. 

 

[MechaZain]

We barely gameplan around our own weaknesses let alone the opposing squads'. 

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

We barely gameplan around our own weaknesses let alone the opposing squads'. 

LOL. 

Come on, man. Our defense made strides this past year, later in the season, because we made adjustments. Now offensively, it's like we're mired in a mixture of tar, bubble gum and quicksand.

[MechaZain]

Just now, top dawg said:

LOL. 

Come on, man. Our defense made strides this past year, later in the season, because we made adjustments. Now offensively, it's like we're mired in a mixture of tar, bubble gum and quicksand.

Adjustments are mandatory on defense I'm not giving them a participation trophy on that