Differences between Wilks and McDermott?

[Riverboat Ron]

3 minutes ago, Bogart said:

I think he will pick the guy Ron thinks fits his system the best.  With that said Dave will ultimately pick the one with the best value with all being equal.  

That's what I think too, just seems like SS has been on the back burner since '13 when we brought in Quintin Mikell. Then we signed a stop gap in Harper who played OK. 

 

Seems like Ron and company feel you can train up secondary guys after the 1st but I'm still holding out hope for Hooker or Adams. Coleman was much better at FS than SS and dominated in '15 with ints, but I wonder how much our #1 ranked offense and defensive pressure paired with Norman played a role in making him an All-Pro. To me Coleman struggles with speed, coverage and covering the whole field like an Earl Thomas, where Hooker makes similar style plays to Thomas.

 

SS tend to go mid 1st at earliest with Mark Barron being the exception back in '11. Makes me wonder if Adams will slip or if he's just that talented enough to go in the top 10.

[Swaggasaurus]

Hopefully less blitzing off the edge. Because we suck at it.

[Jon Snow]

15 minutes ago, Riverboat Ron said:

That's what I think too, just seems like SS has been on the back burner since '13 when we brought in Quintin Mikell. Then we signed a stop gap in Harper who played OK. 

 

Seems like Ron and company feel you can train up secondary guys after the 1st but I'm still holding out hope for Hooker or Adams. Coleman was much better at FS than SS and dominated in '15 with ints, but I wonder how much our #1 ranked offense and defensive pressure paired with Norman played a role in making him an All-Pro. To me Coleman struggles with speed, coverage and covering the whole field like an Earl Thomas, where Hooker makes similar style plays to Thomas.

 

SS tend to go mid 1st at earliest with Mark Barron being the exception back in '11. Makes me wonder if Adams will slip or if he's just that talented enough to go in the top 10.

I agree it's a definite need since Boston can't seem to lock it down.   But you also have to take into account the future contract aspects and Dave's fetishes with hog mollies as a possible tilting of the scale toward DE.  

Just imagine for a second that both will turn out to be at least annual pro bowlers at their respective postions.  Which would be the better investment, a first round pro bowl safety or a pro bowl defensive end?  

[Kevin Greene]

The game day play calling, let's hope he's better than Shula on the other side, regardless of scheme.

[panthers55]

For what it is worth, a zone blitz is predicated on strong linebacker play and great safety play over the middle. When McDermott was in Philly he got run out of town partly because he had to follow a legend in Johnson but also because he didn't have the linebackers between skill deficits and injuries to run his scheme. When did he excel here? When he had Kuechly and Davis and Mike Mitchell and later Harper as enforcer at safety similarly to what Johnson had with Brian Dawkins. 

What do we need in the draft in my opinion. A strong safety like Hooker who would improve us even as a rookie. Add Eric Berry and sign our tackles and we would be set on defense with the exception of depth acquisitions and maybe a DE or two.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

FWIW, I have read several articles on McDermott-Wilks, and though we might not see any major changes from a defensive standpoint, the players may appreciate Wilks in that he doesn't handle everyone exactly the same way, and realizes that they all have different personalities and may respond to different types of motivation (if you understand what I'm saying). So, Wilks' method of coaching may be a little more nuanced as it focuses on giving each individual what he needs to succeed so that ultimately the entire unit as a whole works more effectively (again, if you understand what I'm saying).

In any event, he is ready according to Rivera and TD (who also said that the defense will be ready for any changes big or small). 

One thing that I think is important not to overlook is that it was WilKs who was formally the Assistant Head Coach (as of 2015), and not McDermott. 

Lastly, and on an off-note, I was listening to Wes Durham, the voice of the Atlanta Falcons, yesterday on the David Glenn Show. He doesn't think there is going to be any big dropoff in our defense, and noted that Rivera's fingerprints are all over the defense. I didn't get to hear everything, but it sounded like he doesn't believe that the Falcons are going to be lulled into any false sense of security regarding the Panthers in general, noting our injuries and some bad luck this year.

Being put in charge changes people sometimes.

One of the questions I have going forward is how Wilks would handle a freelancer like Norman.

McDermott was known to be annoyed by Norman's tendencies because he wanted everyone following the assignments he gave them. As a position coach though, Wilks may indeed have appreciated his "individuality" a little more.

You can do that as a position coach, but what happens now when it's your system some hot dog is freelancing in?  Will he still appreciate the effort?

I guess we'll see.

[Jangler]

Wilks is a Coke-a-Cola man.

McDermott likes Royal Cola....weirdo.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

For what it is worth, a zone blitz is predicated on strong linebacker play and great safety play over the middle. When McDermott was in Philly he got run out of town partly because he had to follow a legend in Johnson but also because he didn't have the linebackers between skill deficits and injuries to run his scheme. When did he excel here? When he had Kuechly and Davis and Mike Mitchell as enforcer at safety similarly to what Johnson had with Brian Dawkins. 

What do we need in the draft in my opinion. A strong safety like Hooker who would improve us even as a rookie. Add Eric Berry and sign our tackles and we would be set on defense with the exception of depth acquisitions.

I can see us replacing one safety, but not two.

Both Rivera and Gettleman still like Kurt Coleman.

[top dawg]

Since we're talking the safety position, I just have a feeling that we're going to address it in free agency. Does that mean Getty won't draft one? No. But I just don't see him putting even more inexperienced players in that role with an already relatively green backfield. If we don't get Berry or Cyprien, don't be surprised if Quintin Demps or standout special teamer Michael Thomas doesn't end up here. Both are experienced vets who have filled in fairly well in spot duty. Versatility is key!

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Being put in charge changes people sometimes.

One of the questions I have going forward is how Wilks would handle a freelancer like Norman.

McDermott was known to be annoyed by Norman's tendencies because he wanted everyone following the assignments he gave them. As a position coach though, Wilks may indeed have appreciated his "individuality" a little more.

You can do that as a position coach, but what happens now when it's your system some hot dog is freelancing in?  Will he still appreciate the effort?

I guess we'll see.

That's something to think about, but Norman really gives Wilks a high amount of praise for helping him to become the corner that he is. I kind of doubt that Wilks appreciated Norman's hotdogging within the scheme. I almost bet that it was Wilks who was the main one responsible for corralling Norman and breaking him in the hard way, only to build him back up to where he needed to be. I guess we'll never know for sure. What we do know is that the players in the backfield have largely responded to Wilks' coaching, even though he had to deal with losing key players every year (whether it was Norman, or the stopgap vets).

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

That's something to think about, but Norman really gives Wilks a high amount of praise for helping him to become the corner that he is. I kind of doubt that Wilks appreciated Norman's hotdogging within the scheme. I almost bet that it was Wilks who was the main one responsible for corralling Norman and breaking him in the hard way, only to build him back up to where he needed to be. I guess we'll never know for sure. What we do know is that the players in the backfield have largely responded to Wilks' coaching, even though he had to deal with losing key players every year (whether it was Norman, or the stopgap vets).

Which is a big reason why we had the corner draft we did.

Both Gettleman and Rivera have expressed they got tired of the secondary being a revolving door and wanted to bring some stability to it.

They have Coleman as a veteran leaders, so drafting a top safety might indeed be the final piece of the puzzle.

[Confined9991]

Jamaal Adams would be huge for our team

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can see us replacing one safety, but not two.

Both Rivera and Gettleman still like Kurt Coleman.

Wouldn't replace Coleman but my bend especially with the rookie salary cap is not starting rookies day one. I would see us starting Coleman and Berry and grooming Hooker for the future.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

The game day play calling, let's hope he's better than Shula on the other side, regardless of scheme.

You might be disappointed. I just read an article announcing his promotion where he specifically said he didn't believe in trying to out scheme other teams. The goal is outplay them. That translates to execution not scheme. Something that Rivera stresses.