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It's worse than I thought

Cookie Lyon

By Cookie Lyon,
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3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

THAT DOESN'T MATTER.

 

ADDRESS THE T POSITION.

 

Honestly, I can't see at this point a viable T at the 8, or possibly in the top 15...but whatever.

We will likely need to pick up a T in FA if we are looking for a starter.

 

P.S. I hope we do.

Unless McGlinchey declares for the draft there's definitely no tackle at 8 worth taking. Although Garret Bolles is someone worth potentially trading back up for if you think he can't be had on day 2. 

Sebastian Vollmer would be a nice add at RT and should come cheap. I suspect Andrew Whitworth situation may be a Bengals or retirement type deal but if not you at least have to check in on him.

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1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

There's always ways to manuveur contracts and crap to fit another in. Would it have hurt our cap down the road? Sure, but it would've given us security at LT all these years. 

Every year you guys sit here and tell me how the Saints literally have NO money, yet they had no issues with handing out a retarded contract to Fleener this past offseason. I'm not defending the move I'm just saying they usually find a way to bring on more contracts with little to no cap.

Yes, they do, and continue to go 6-10.

DG had taken the job the year before, and hit no. 1 priority was fixing the cap so this team could have long term sustainability since we had our "QB" for the next decade.

The move you described would have looked good....until we couldn't pay to keep Olsen or Kalil this past off season.

With Cam fully in his prime, I would prefer sustained long term planning....not going all out like the Saints and this past season like the Giants did.  

But I get it, I'm patient, not everyone is.

 

That said, I'm all for spending big in FA this year for the first time in 5+ years.

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2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Unless McGlinchey declares for the draft there's definitely no tackle at 8 worth taking. Although Garret Bolles is someone worth potentially trading back up for if you think he can't be had on day 2. 

Sebastian Vollmer would be a nice add at RT and should come cheap. I suspect Andrew Whitworth situation may be a Bengals or retirement type deal but if not you at least have to check in on him.

Bolles might just turn out to be the best pure LT in this draft. 

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I suggested then that we should skip tagging Hardy---let him walk---and use some of that money to sign Veldheer, and explore using the rest on a receiver.

I would have been fine with that as well....however we hired a defensive HC, and a GM that came from a team that used freakish pass rush to beat the Pats twice in the Super Bowl.

Looking back it was a mistake, but had Hardy not gotten coked up and beat his girlfriend it may have paid off.

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

 

 

That said, I'm all for spending big in FA this year for the first time in 5+ years.

in all seriousness?  I would say it has been over 10+ years since we spent big in FA.  I'd say the Lucas/Wahle offseason was the last unless I am overlooking something.

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3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Unless McGlinchey declares for the draft there's definitely no tackle at 8 worth taking. Although Garret Bolles is someone worth potentially trading back up for if you think he can't be had on day 2. 

Sebastian Vollmer would be a nice add at RT and should come cheap. I suspect Andrew Whitworth situation may be a Bengals or retirement type deal but if not you at least have to check in on him.

I said weeks ago that the only T that I would take super high would be McG.

I'm going to assume that Whit is probably hanging them up, but agree, it's worth a call.

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1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

I smoked a lot of weed in high school, so correct me if I'm wrong...but I seem to remember the Panthers, under Dave Gettleman, go 15-1 and come within a few plays from winning a Super Bowl.

You guys continue your "the sky is falling" freak out all offseason if you'd like. I'll stay here in reality.

I agree a 100% of this. Even though l disagreed with some of the decisions Gettleman has made. But l think with the draft position, the cap space, and the current team we got. We are the closest we have ever been for winning a Superbowl. And possibly multiple SBs.Gettleman is a very smart man.

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5 minutes ago, CRA said:

in all seriousness?  I would say it has been over 10+ years since we spent big in FA.  I'd say the Lucas/Wahle offseason was the last unless I am overlooking something.

I also count Hurney's extensions of our FA's to be spending in free agency.

 

Edit: To add, I'm not talking about the last time we did, just that for the first time in 5 years I feel comfortable spending big in free agency.  Hurney's books were so bad that I was often hesitant to spend any money until it was cleaned up.  To that....DG has been great...but there have been some foul ups.

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5 minutes ago, Malt Liquor said:

I agree a 100% of this. Even though l disagreed with some of the decisions Gettleman has made. But l think with the draft position, the cap space, and the current team we got. We are the closest we have ever been for winning a Superbowl. And possibly multiple SBs.Gettleman is a very smart man.

It may happen, it may not, but I agree with you.  Cam is the wild card...he bounces back to where I think he can, and we are in great shape....he doesn't...and we aren't.

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All I am saying is that all Gettleman would have to have had to improve this offense more than he has, is simply the will to do it. The cap isn't an excuse, the pool of talent isn't an excuse. There is no excuse.

Sure, it can be argued on some level that it's all revisionist history, but revisionist history goes both ways. But, the past is the past. This should be about the future. In a perfect world, between the draft and free agency, we'll get more balanced between acquiring players of impact at positions that need improvement.

We've got to get better on offense if we're going to effect the results that we desire.

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