Seriously depressed Shula is gonna be our OC nxt yr

[Peppers90 NC]

1 hour ago, lasus83 said:

6 or 7 seconds is a very long time in the nfl

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I realized half the people don't know what the fug they're talking about or they have to use exaggeration to prove their points.

[Jangler]

[raleigh-panther]

7 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Are you saying we are only a different offensive coordinator away from being super bowl contenders in 2014 and 2016?

I don't have a crystal ball

i know we had OT issues for years since Gross retired  we all know that.  The Panthers never plan for anything with players in waiting, it just 'happens'  hey GM, if you are going to force Gross into an early retirement t, what is the plan?  Answer, there wasn't one.

  GM put band aids on that did not work against better teams and that is also something to consider   The Panthers under Rivera, the every other year success is not mistake as the following year they play 1st place schedule and they fall off as teams, which now include Beasley in Atlanta, can blow up that line with those long developing plays

Our running back is average at best and the other  backs don't scare anybody   Lets just say our backs and receivers compared to Atlanta's leave a bit to be desired 

we have receivers who can't get separation

we have pass routes that take too long too develop behind that line

and a QB who is tired of getting his brains bashed in and carrying the load and whose accuracy has never been his strong suit

we all know in the NFL reinvention is the key to sustained excellence  

We never reinvent anything

 Maybe Rivera should be taking advice from Bellinchek and not Madden

one thing is certain, the Panthers' brain trust better figure something out or they are all gone next year   

This year wasn't just a falloff.  It was a crash and burn

 

[Udogg]

On 1/5/2017 at 9:34 PM, Growl said:

One of the most important things on the docket this offseason is generating some hope and momentum around this team and we are not off to a great start.

After Benjamin went down in preseason... how much hope and momentum was around here?   As a matter of fact ,......

Every single time there is hope and momentum we fail.  This team doesn't handle high expectations well.   

 

[Udogg]

10 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

I don't have a crystal ball

i know we had OT issues for years since Gross retired  we all know that.  The Panthers never plan for anything with players in waiting, it just 'happens'  hey GM, if you are going to force Gross into an early retirement t, what is the plan?  Answer, there wasn't one.

  GM put band aids on that did not work against better teams and that is also something to consider   The Panthers under Rivera, the every other year success is not mistake as the following year they play 1st place schedule and they fall off as teams, which now include Beasley in Atlanta, can blow up that line with those long developing plays

Our running back is average at best and the other  backs don't scare anybody   Lets just say our backs and receivers compared to Atlanta's leave a bit to be desired 

we have receivers who can't get separation

we have pass routes that take too long too develop behind that line

and a QB who is tired of getting his brains bashed in and carrying the load and whose accuracy has never been his strong suit

we all know in the NFL reinvention is the key to sustained excellence  

We never reinvent anything

 Maybe Rivera should be taking advice from Bellinchek and not Madden

one thing is certain, the Panthers' brain trust better figure something out or they are all gone next year   

This year wasn't just a falloff.  It was a crash and burn

 

The key to our offense playing better, recievers getting open, run game being better is our offensive line improving.  If our O line improves, everything works.  We need to spend this year developing both a starting line, and quality depth. 

[iamhubby1]

6 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

The big issue is the offense that Shula runs requires a top notch oline. One that can keep pressure away for 6 or 7 seconds. We don't have that. If we had Oakland or Dallas line the plays called would work

 

Every team needs a top notch Oline. That is not exclusively a Panther Problem. And even the bestest of Olines cannot hold for 6-7 seconds. That is just an over exaggeration to make your point sound better. Sorry, but I just don't buy this one.

 

Now if you had just said that upgrading the Oline would make us better. Although, IMO, all we need is to make sure LT is taken care of next year and we should be OK. I would have agreed with that.

 

5 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

I am not a hater of people 

I am a hater of mediocrity

i believe Shula performs to the best of his ability; however, I feel a change in strategic thinking and play design is needed and also someone to truly coach Newton and maximize.

I do not believe Shula alone is that person. At the very least an offensive consultant is needed  

Its ok if you believe differently 

 

Why does everyone think just because I am not on the "Fire Shula Train" I am ok with mediocrity? I am all for upgrading any position that will make us better. If that is Shula, so be it. But be careful what you wish for. Good OCs are not a dime a dozen like folks want to believe.

 

Replacing Shula is not a guarantee of success. Upgrading is possible. But you had better make the right choice, or you are in for a big fall. If you want to take that chance, by all means, go for it.

[Darvinsun]

On 1/6/2017 at 2:59 PM, iamhubby1 said:

 

Wow...just wow..

 

I know you hate Shula, but dude, that was truly fantastical. I mean, just wow. I will say you have a great imagination, cuz that was incredible.

 

When you come back down to earth, let me know. Maybe then we can have a Rational debate.

Yeah, imagination i wish just look at this season...i do not hate shula but the writing is he is just not that good of a coordinator..with Cam at Qb we would be on fire with an average OC and line...with Shula our offense is so so shula and bad line is average. CAM is the key ingredient in the whole mixture. This year Cam was off to a great start...but injuries to him, mentally and physically have hurt the offense greatly because he is no longer able to mask the inefficiency of the line, receivers and yes Shula.

We all kno q that most of our offensive players would not make other teams starting positions including Shula and dorsey.  Cam makes the bad look good and when he does not throw a perfect pass it is a turnover because he has no playmakers outside of Olsen and occasional Stew. Play design and call is no help at all. 

[Camp Fodder]

18 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Every team needs a top notch Oline. That is not exclusively a Panther Problem. And even the bestest of Olines cannot hold for 6-7 seconds. That is just an over exaggeration to make your point sound better. Sorry, but I just don't buy this one.

 

Now if you had just said that upgrading the Oline would make us better. Although, IMO, all we need is to make sure LT is taken care of next year and we should be OK. I would have agreed with that.

 

 

Why does everyone think just because I am not on the "Fire Shula Train" I am ok with mediocrity? I am all for upgrading any position that will make us better. If that is Shula, so be it. But be careful what you wish for. Good OCs are not a dime a dozen like folks want to believe.

 

Replacing Shula is not a guarantee of success. Upgrading is possible. But you had better make the right choice, or you are in for a big fall. If you want to take that chance, by all means, go for it.

The point I was trying to make is having a top 5 oline is more crucial for us than other teams.  The reason is the offense we run. Teams that run a west coast can get away with an average oline because they don't have to hold as long

[iamhubby1]

6 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

Yeah, imagination i wish just look at this season...i do not hate shula but the writing is he is just not that good of a coordinator..with Cam at Qb we would be on fire with an average OC and line...with Shula our offense is so so shula and bad line is average. CAM is the key ingredient in the whole mixture. This year Cam was off to a great start...but injuries to him, mentally and physically have hurt the offense greatly because he is no longer able to mask the inefficiency of the line, receivers and yes Shula.

We all kno q that most of our offensive players would not make other teams starting positions including Shula and dorsey.  Cam makes the bad look good and when he does not throw a perfect pass it is a turnover because he has no playmakers outside of Olsen and occasional Stew. Play design and call is no help at all. 

 

lol I love this one. "Shula and bad line is average." Like there must be a poo ton of OCs that can succeed with a bad line.

 

When your frustration level gets back to a some what more even keel, we can have a discussion. Because if you truly feel that everyone on the Offensive side of the ball, including the Coaches, (Well, except Cam, Olsen, and occasionally Stewy.)  need to go. You are not going to listen to anything I have to say.

 

So have at it. Because if you are right. It is going to be a long time before they get all that fixed. So you must be prepared already for what is to come. Average at best. Right?

[iamhubby1]

5 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

The point I was trying to make is having a top 5 oline is more crucial for us than other teams.  The reason is the offense we run. Teams that run a west coast can get away with an average oline because they don't have to hold as long

 

 

There are a few ways to look at this.

 

1. We have some talent on the Oline. Get everyone back, figure out that LT position, and our Oline is pretty darn good.

 

2. We very rarely had the same 5 guys start more than a couple games together. No continuity at all this year. And that can not be understated enough. Continuity is Yuge.

 

3. Even with all the injuries, our patch work Oline did pretty well protecting Cam. Now, that running game was hit or miss, but IMO, that is where we missed Kalil the most.

 

I don't get the hate for our Oline? Norwell is a Beast, Kalil is one of the best, same with Trai, and Daryl proved he should be our RT of the future. If Oher comes back, we will be pretty darn good. If Remmers has to start, we will still be pretty good. Somehow upgrade the LT position, and we are one of the best.

 

This season was a mess for the Oline. Rail on that if you must, I just ain't going there. Because if we get healthy, we are very good.

 

Lastly. Teams use the dink and dunk to protect their QBs behind a bad line. There are things you can do to mask a bad line. But all in all, it ain't easy to hide a bad line.

[Pimpdaddy]

...Dear Shulong..watch all the successful plays of the playoffs and incorporate...

[Darvinsun]

16 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

lol I love this one. "Shula and bad line is average." Like there must be a poo ton of OCs that can succeed with a bad line.

 

When your frustration level gets back to a some what more even keel, we can have a discussion. Because if you truly feel that everyone on the Offensive side of the ball, including the Coaches, (Well, except Cam, Olsen, and occasionally Stewy.)  need to go. You are not going to listen to anything I have to say.

 

So have at it. Because if you are right. It is going to be a long time before they get all that fixed. So you must be prepared already for what is to come. Average at best. Right?

I was not saying everyone on the line needs to go frankly just Remmers.  I am saying that this yr the line was bad with injuries and yes still Remmers and Shula the offense was good until Cam got beat up.  Cam was able to overcome the bad calls and bad line play..Remmers wasn't good last yr and the play calling wasn't great either..We had to do alot of no huddle and audibling last yr to make the team offense good.  Cam played out of his mind and so did the defense. This year the line is banged up and teams not allowi g us to max protect and we still have shula. Even with a healthy line we would not have won bc of the plays Shula calls and yes remmers would be starting still.defense is not the same as last yr at least not early in the yr when it would have helped...the only way we could have was to go maybe no huddle, but Rivera so scared of the defense crumbling he would not go for that...Not putting all blame on Shula because I do think Rivera is much to blame as he is...But Shula is not a good OC maybe its the talent that we have in line and receivers, but isn't he helping in picking the players for his offense if not then it completely is Dave and Rons fault. With all that being issues we still  were a few plays away from winning most games...I have faith in our core players just not in our coaching staff.