Next Gen Stats - Cam is the most aggressive QB in the NFL

[Cuttinedge]

4 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I think it is even more simple than that. Teach our WRs to quit rounding off their routes. Clean, and crisp, cuts. 

 

Who ran that sloppy double move on Grimes late in the game? Grimes played it like he knew it was coming. I want to sayTeddy, but I ain't too positive. Anyway, it only underscores how bad the route running is. How Grimes abused us in about 4 different plays. All after barely testing him all game?

 

 

 

First off don't the route running fall on our WR coach who everyone thinks is the greatest ever. ?

Secondly that wasn't GInn on the sloppy double move   is was the great golden boy Bersin.  And ain't that suppose to be his specialty "route running"  

It's time to do away with Bersin and Brown both are SOFT and easily knocked off their route.  We need to get some speed in the slot and outside. There is a reason Ginn is open the most of this group wonder why??? KB and Funch wear a CB like a high dollar Armani suit 

[KillerKat]

Trade KB for a real #1, draft a WR, and you'll have 2 new weapons with Ginn and Funchess. Just remember how young Funchess is and when he is on, he has looked better than at any moment KB has.

[truthjuice]

Our WRs really can't run routes. That sucks. I like KB, but he has work to do. If Ted wasn't drop prone, Id say go to him every time. 

[panthers55]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/fantasy-introducing-wide-receiver-efficiency-rating/

Here is an article upon which the OP article is based. It looks at 2015 stats which are interesting compared to this year.  Who was very close to the top of the list on separation as well as efficiency? Our own Ted Ginn at 4th. But it also clarifies some things such as guys who run deeper routes often have less separation that guys who run shorter routes. It also talks about two important issues besides separation which is catching the ball, and yards after the catch. Also lost in the discussion is when is separation measured? At the point of catch, anytime during the route, at the time the quarterback is surveying the field? Seems to me it is an interesting stat but hardly significant enough to conclude we need to make drastic changes in who we have or our scheme as some posters on here suggest. 

[GoobyPls]

30 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Trade KB for a real #1, draft a WR, and you'll have 2 new weapons with Ginn and Funchess. Just remember how young Funchess is and when he is on, he has looked better than at any moment KB has.

They need to move Funchess back to TE, he was never a real WR. KB can at least make difficult catches and take a hit. Bring in a true speedster like Jackson or even Wright

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/fantasy-introducing-wide-receiver-efficiency-rating/

Here is an article upon which the OP article is based. It looks at 2015 stats which are interesting compared to this year.  Who was very close to the top of the list on separation as well as efficiency? Our own Ted Ginn at 4th. But it also clarifies some things such as guys who run deeper routes often have less separation that guys who run shorter routes. It also talks about two important issues besides separation which is catching the ball, and yards after the catch. Also lost in the discussion is when is separation measured? At the point of catch, anytime during the route, at the time the quarterback is surveying the field? Seems to me it is an interesting stat but hardly significant enough to conclude we need to make drastic changes in who we have or our scheme as some posters on here suggest. 

I don't think we need to get rid of anyone...we just need to add to the WR corp. 

only issue I have is when KB and Fun Fun are the primary WRs on the field.  Life is just too easy on a defense in regards to the type routes we can threaten with. 

We need a better Ginn that can basically live on the field and dictate coverages more 

[panthers55]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think we need to get rid of anyone...we just need to add to the WR corp. 

only issue I have is when KB and Fun Fun are the primary WRs on the field.  Life is just too easy on a defense in regards to the type routes we can threaten with. 

We need a better Ginn that can basically live on the field and dictate coverages more 

I am all for upgrading if we can.  While I dont think WR is as big need as others like Safety or O line, who can be against getting better.  And as you note Ginn is not an every down back and is going to need to be replaced at some point anyway.  Interesting that he is still considered our most efficient receiver after bombing everywhere else.

[gmonjimbo]

6 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Who ran that sloppy double move on Grimes late in the game?

 

It was Bersin

[Darvinsun]

We need speed.A variation in WR. Move funchess or Kb to the TE position and bring in a quick, route good hands receiver. Ginn hands are too suspect and easily can get knocked off routes. IF Ginn was not scared to get hit i would say move him to slot run him across the middle but i believe he would get pancaked. We need a Rb that is fast and has moves get rid off fozzy and tolbert...This team is too comfortable with players that you say..he will do.. soso players we have no playmakers Cam can go to...Every good Qb has at leat 1....tom, ben, both matts, rodgers, even winston, brees, carr, wilson, Romo..Everyone except Cam he is our only playmaker ..Olsen is one but he is a TE not counting. To be honest every team in the Nfl has someone except panthers and 49ers.

[gmonjimbo]

This article confirms what I thought was a significant problem with the offense. The degree of difficulty on the majority of Cam's throws were too high compared to most NFL quarterbacks. That's why we saw a lot of games with Cam starting 3-11 or 2-9, then the offense would never get in rhythm. KB and Funchess should only be running 3-4 routes where they have the opportunity to box out their defender. However, for the majority of the season they did a poor job of using their hands and strength to gain leverage. Also how many options does Cam typically have in the passing game? Ed Dickson only had 10 receptions on 19 targets this year (Atlanta 3rd TE had 19 targets), Stewart had 8 receptions on 20 targets, Fozzy had 25 on 33 targets (Freeman had 54 receptions on 65 targets). This is the part of the offense that needs to evolve, instead of being in max protect and only having Kelvin, Greg, and Ted Ginn as targets we get our RBs adn TE2 more involved in the passing game to give Cam those easy completions and dump offs. Also, for us to avoid using max protect all the time we have to get better OT play. 

[*FreeFua*]

Robert Woods is a solid route runner and a solid blocker in the run game.

If we end up with Fournette, Woods be a perfect slot WR for us.

Im thinking he's going to get roughly 8mill a year and that's a bit out of our range for a slot receiver when we have Byrd (ya I said it). We need a true 1 or 2 (whichever way you look at it for arguments sake) opposite of KB. 

Wright is a terrible route runner we don't need more of those. But I will agree with you that WR is a HUGE need

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

They need to move Funchess back to TE, he was never a real WR. KB can at least make difficult catches and take a hit. Bring in a true speedster like Jackson or even Wright

 

[bigdog10]

This gives credence to the few of us on here who were begging to see Philly on the field more. 

He may not catch everything thrown his way but he runs good routes and gets open. He should have been betting just as many snaps (if not more) than Funchess. 

[outlaw4]

The stats do lend some credence to what I see. Take the last game for example and notice how Winston's targets seem to be wide open compared to Cam's. 

Whether speed would help is a question mark because someone like Olsen never burns anyone and yet finds ways to shed his guy. Play design might also play a factor. I know teams have tried those rub routes and we did some of that last year; we got flagged constantly on those. I do think improving protection will mitigate the issue as it makes more targets available. 

[panthers55]

53 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

This gives credence to the few of us on here who were begging to see Philly on the field more. 

He may not catch everything thrown his way but he runs good routes and gets open. He should have been betting just as many snaps (if not more) than Funchess. 

He was ranked the 155th most efficient receiver last year. Look at what I posted earlier.