3 Potential Cap Casualties For the Carolina Panthers in 2017

[Ace_Aladdin]

J Stew isn't  going anywhere even if we draft a RB. 

Paul Solia has been good DT especially in the run blocking . It was his 1st yr to get adjusted to the system. 

If we do let go of him we need another true NT to  keep Star fresh

[Darvinsun]

11 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

He has 4 picks in the 1st 3 rounds. If he wants a RB, he has the ammo to get 1.

 

Part of me is kind of curious as to how Gman would grade, and draft, a Franchise type RB. I mean, did he truly believe that Cap might work out that way, and it just didn't work? Or was Cap just a flyer pick late in the draft? IMO, you can't count on a late round RB turning into an All Pro. Sure it happens, but if you are counting on it, you are an idiot.

 

If it were me? To protect Stewy long term by lower his carries, I would restructure Stewy, and draft his replacement this year. Not neccesarily Fournette, but if you trust your scouting dept., get you one with one of those first four picks. As the kid grows, you lessen the load on Stewy.

 

Personally, if Gman gets us a solid Vet DE, and SS, we can draft the best athlete on the board. As long as it's a skill position player, I don't care. Take Founette, more ower to ya. Take Williams, I can live with that. Because in my eyes, fill those two positions with solid vets, and we can go to war. All that talent we get in the draft is just sweet sweet icing on the cake.

 

Sorry, I lost my train of thought. Oh well, probably not going to be the last time. 

 

 

I don't see all the CAP hate.  He did pretty decent for what he had been given just like stew did.. With limited carries and busted line it is hard to see what a RB truly has..CAP is a rb that gets better as the game progresses its hard to see with the limited snaps.

I do agree we should keep Stew and draft another back one who can actually  can hit whole quick and and go the distance..Replace fozzy.

 

[MHS831]

21 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

Always love your thoughts and analyses MHS. Knowing the OL as well as you do, I will have to look into this Chattanooga guy. Agree 110% that OT is not a selection until after the 4th or 5th. 

Thoughts on Matt Dayes and James Conner in the 3rd?  I'm really high on Conner - he looks like a bellcow back and reminds me of Forte coming out of Tulane.

Conner is all over the place in the various sites---I agree--I like him too.  Matt D. is a player I need to check out more.  THanks for the tips

[MHS831]

20 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Ok, I'm going to just say this straight out. Part of me, likes part of that. While part of me, has no clue, and am lost.. Taco in the 1st, I don't like. McCafferty in the 2nd? Maybe. Other than that, I have not clue who most of those guys are.

 

First. What Gman does in FA will impact the draft greatly. So all this draft mocking is pure speculation, and meant for fun, and camaraderie. Mostly.

 

I feel that Coleman could be that Vet leader to a rook SS. I just would prefer to sign a solid Vet, and continue to develop the kids. Unless you are positive the kid is a goat, I would not use a 1st on a SS.

 

Once Bradberry came back at the bye, the Secondary did do good work. Not great, but for a first year unit, they played well together. Here's my bold "Swag". Sign a solid Vet CB, one who is a leader. And go get another 1st, or 2nd rounder. You want a strong Secondary? That is a strong Secondary.

 

Dline needs a solid DE, or two. Me? I'd bring in a vet who can rush the passer. Then I'd look very hard at a DE with that 8 pick. But if there's a kid that you really like, get him. IMO, we do need a kid DE this year. I mean, I would just hate to lose out on a premier DE. How often do you get a chance to draft a STUD DE?

 

Stewy  needs to restructure so he can train his replacement, which I would draft in the 2nd or 3rd. If I have to take Fournette in the 1st, I will.

 

Olsen needs a running mate. There are a bunch out there. Get the guy a solid play mate. A solid vet, should be relatively cheap, and effective. Cuz I don't want to have to what til next year for the rook to develop, because I wouldn't take one until the 3rd at the earliest.

 

Philly is a great #3/4. If we can get us a Philly type who is an actual #2 type. That would make us better. A vet would be nice, but the right rook will do.

 

Keek is a scary position. As is Oher. How we attack these two spots is yuge. Keek has some good mates behind him, as does Oher. If Keek is OK, we all breathe a sigh of relief. As with Oher, although maybe to a lesser degree. If we, I can barely get it out, lose Keek? What are you to do? If we lose Oher, we take a step backwards, but we still have Remmers. Not exactly what the doctor ordered, but better than starting over.? Right?

 

I have no idea who most of those guys are. So if they come here, more power to you for noticing them. I love College Football, and watch quite a bit. But all this draft stuff gets a little more in depth than I am willing to go. Don't get me wrong, I love all the information, I am just too lazy to look it up myself. Well, more like. Why look it up, when it will show up on the Huddle anyway? lol

 

tl/dr version. Just another ramble in a long line of rambles. Thanks for reading.

Thanks for the response, Hubby.  I tend to bounce stuff, and I appreciate the time.

[iamhubby1]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Thanks for the response, Hubby.  I tend to bounce stuff, and I appreciate the time.

 

I only ramble on subjects that interest me. I think your post interested me, or I wouldn't have gone a rambling'.

[AceBoogie]

On 1/4/2017 at 8:28 PM, panthers55 said:

I hope Gettleman has learned his lesson regarding replacing very good veterans and with rookies. Sure we have other backs but none able to run or block like Stewart. Plus as mentioned already, we need 2 backs who can share the load. So far cap has been very dissapointing and Fozzy is a good change of pace guy but hardly a workhorse. We do need to draft a RB high and let him learn behind Stewart to be his ultimate replacement. What good is 50 million in cap space if we end up 6-10 again with no line and no running game. Stewart is great after first contact which is critical with a line that struggles to run block.

I got one am tired of watching rookies struggle for 8-10 games before the light pops on. If we keep our vets we might not have another slow again next year.

Again with the CAP has been disappointing bullshit, he averaged 4.0 yards per carry last year. Not his fault the coaching staff chooses to deactivate their backup rb

[panthers55]

7 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

Again with the CAP has been disappointing bullshit, he averaged 4.0 yards per carry last year. Not his fault the coaching staff chooses to deactivate their backup rb

that is funny. I guess it isn't his fault he sucks so badly everyone has us pick ing a RB high in the draft either. Or that he doesn't see the field next year either unless there is an injury. Good players when given the opportunity shine and show the coaches they need more playing time. Guys like CAP end up back on the inactive list again.  I love it. It isn't his fault. I guess it isn't Bersins he sucks too.

[AceBoogie]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

that is funny. I guess it isn't his fault he sucks so badly everyone has us pick ing a RB high in the draft either. Or that he doesn't see the field next year either unless there is an injury. Good players when given the opportunity shine and show the coaches they need more playing time. Guys like CAP end up back on the inactive list again.  I love it. It isn't his fault. I guess it isn't Bersins he sucks too.

When Stewart gets hurt who's the instant starter? He's inactive because fozzy and Tolbert play special teams. When given the carries he does well as with any rb. The most carries he got last year was 18 and he turned it into 85 yards and 2 tds. But you're one of the same ones who said Deangelo was done too so...

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

When Stewart gets hurt who's the instant starter? He's inactive because fozzy and Tolbert play special teams. When given the carries he does well as with any rb. The most carries he got last year was 18 and he turned it into 85 yards and 2 tds. But you're one of the same ones who said Deangelo was done too so...

So because he isn't athletic enough to play special teams it isn't his fault? And those 2 TDs are the only 2 he has had in his career even though he has had roughly 70 more carries during that time.

And no I don't remember ever saying that DeAngelo was done but keep making it up and skewing the facts. You do that so well.

[AceBoogie]

5 hours ago, panthers55 said:

So because he isn't athletic enough to play special teams it isn't his fault? And those 2 TDs are the only 2 he has had in his career even though he has had roughly 70 more carries during that time.

And no I don't remember ever saying that DeAngelo was done but keep making it up and skewing the facts. You do that so well.

Again he's spent most of the time he's inactive, and given the coaches he's playing for it shouldn't come off as a surprise. 

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Again he's spent most of the time he's inactive, and given the coaches he's playing for it shouldn't come off as a surprise. 

Yeah it must be the coaches fault he doesn't play must. The same lament by every bench warmer in the league.

[MV%doe]

On 1/4/2017 at 9:29 PM, Cracka McNasty said:

The good thing about the Cason, Decoud, and Solalai signings is that they are team friendly deals, meaning we payed them but aren't on the hook for years to come if they sucked. This is a stark contrast to Hurney contracts where we were feeling the Cap heat from those poor decisions up to THIS season, which is absurd. We cut Cason and Decoud and actually got money back, and we'll most likely do the same for Solali (or whatever his name is, I never learned to spell it right because he didn't play well enough for me to learn to) this offseason. 

Stewart, I just don't see Gettleman cutting him outright. Stewart when healthy is almost worth that contract he signed way back when and he is without a doubt the best RB on the team. We have no one behind him. I wasn't a fan of the CAP draft pick honestly, I mean who takes a 25 year old rookie? He was never going to be a long term solution, just depth at the position.

I think we need to draft a good RB this year, and we're in an excellent spot to do it in the first two rounds. I think we keep stew, ask him to restructure converting some of the projected money to guaranteed money and spreading his cap hit over the next 2 or 3 years so it allows him to have more job security in a market that won't be kind to a 30+ year old RB, and still allows him to get payed his fair share. This allows us to draft an actual heir apparent to Stew allowing us to go to a 2 back system which will also help to keep Stewart and the rookie fresh as the season goes forward. 

 

It seems the point of Dave missing free agent needs to be bought up constantly, but missing is reasoning. I wonder why had to sign players no other team wants, hmmmmm. Ooh that's right, he had NO or negative cap space for three straight years! No one bats 1.000 percent. Also the "miss" is minimize give the contract length. Each one of the misses had very low "dead cap".

I will say when you cut a player, he must be replaced. So in a way there's not as much savings, cause at minimum you will be paying a new salary for at least $500,000 plus. What you're saying when you cut a player is I can replace you with a cheaper alternative. Example cut player "saves" 1,000,000 in cap space. New player signed a 600,000 deal. You just save a net of 400,000, thus the savings can be put else where.

I believe Dave will offer to extend stew and if the numbers are rebuffed.... Stew will be cut. I'm about 75% sure a deal with be reached. RB market looks like the kicking market, it's that bad currently(not for young elite).  Draft class is strong too, thus helping panthers in negations. Plus that means other teams may cut their high price vets. AP is name getting thrown around.

[Pimpdaddy]

...mays well draft Peewee Herman vs a RB with this line...I'd be the same outcome.... not many first rounders in the RB category are worth it.... These are considered the best over the last  10 years...

1. Adrian Peterson, Vikings (No. 7, 2007)
2. Steven Jackson, Rams (No. 24, 2004)
3. Chris Johnson, Titans (No. 24, 2008)
4. DeAngelo Williams, Panthers (No. 27, 2006)
5. Jonathan Stewart, Panthers (No. 13, 2008)
6. Darren McFadden, Raiders (No. 4, 2008)
7. Rashard Mendenhall, Steelers (No. 23, 2008)
8. Larry Johnson, Chiefs (No. 27, 2003)
9. Willis McGahee, Bills (No. 23, 2003)
10. Ryan Mathews, Chargers (No. 12, 2010)
11. Reggie Bush, Saints (No. 2, 2006)
12. Marshawn Lynch, Bills (No. 12, 2007)
13. Ronnie Brown (No. 2, 2005)
14. Beanie Wells, Cardinals (No. 31, 2009)
15. Joseph Addai, Colts (No. 30, 2006)
16. Cedric Benson, Bears (No. 4, 2005)
17. Mark Ingram, Saints (No. 28, 2011)
18. Cadillac Williams, (No. 5, 2005)
19. Felix Jones, Cowboys (No. 22, 2008)
20. Jahvid Best, Lions (No. 30, 2010)
21. Kevin Jones, Lions (No. 30, 2004)
22. Laurence Maroney, Patriots (No. 21, 2006)
23. T.J. Duckett, Falcons (No. 18, 2002)
24. C.J. Spiller, Bills (No. 9, 2010)
25. William Green, Browns (No. 16, 2002)
26. Knowshon Moreno (No. 12, 2009)
27. Donald Brown, Colts (No. 27, 2009)
28. Chris Perry, Bengals (No. 26, 2004)

 

[heel31ok]

On 1/4/2017 at 6:57 PM, lasus83 said:

Ive been calling for this to be the year stew is cut for a while. We, recently, have forgotten how injury prone he is.

However, his running towards the end of the hear may save him... even if we do draft Cook or Fournette.

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And yet he still worth the money...