KK: Tag and Trade

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, Sasquatch said:

Negotiations start with 2 firsts

 

Remember Sean Gilbert?

Yes how could I forget.

[Guest]

All the "It's not that easy stuff," is a given.

The Browns have the need, money, and appropriate consideration. Who wouldn't want to play for Hue? 

Hey, I hope you are right.

From a Browns perspective, it would benefit them by letting them avoid a FA market for him. Also, I assume we would look for 1.10 back... so they could bring in Garrett and KK in 1 year... helluva impact move.

I would love this to happen. I just think the chances a very slim.

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[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, lasus83 said:

Hey, I hope you are right.

From a Browns perspective, it would benefit them by letting them avoid a FA market for him. Also, I assume we would look for 1.10 back... so they could bring in Garrett and KK in 1 year... helluva impact move.

I would love this to happen. I just think the chances a very slim.

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Garrett and  KK! That would sound great to anyone. Assuming AJ McCarron rejoins Hue and is even halfway decent---just good, not even great---then they'd really be moving in a positive direction. Even without Gordon, just re-signing Pryor, along with Coleman, would provide them some strong core pieces for the foreseeable future.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

2 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

A deal will happen if Gman wants to make it happen. It's not that difficult. KK just want the big check. He's doesn't care who the hell he will be playing for. Gman find the team, KK signs his name.

"It's not that difficult" 

Sigh. Maybe not in madden. But again, you forget, it's not JUST trading. It's finding a team willing to pay WAY more than what he wants. Not just his massive contract but also draft picks. That's a lot man. 

Im not saying it's impossible but it really is incredibly hard to pull off

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

1 hour ago, lasus83 said:

Thing that makes tag n trade so rare is that the player would have to agree to the destination and, essentially, a contract with that team. Not exactly like NBA no-trade clause' bjt pretty close. Teams just dont have interest in renting a 1 year guy for that kinda money

It is a madden move to think a tag n trade is an "easy" move.

I dont remember the last time it was pulled off but I think it was some obscure player on the bears back in 2009... or some such thing.

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i think it was matt cassel to the chiefs in 2009.  that's the last one i remember.  you'd think if it could be willed to happen there'd be GMs doing it every year.  free first round picks plus salary cap relief sounds like a nice deal.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

How about we tag him and have him play on the tag in 2017? If we want to sign FAs this year, we are better off to tag him and then get a compensatory pick after we get him for a year. The compensation won't be cancelled out if we sign anyone this offseason. I don't see anyone trading for Short and paying that much money.

Or, hopefully, the 18M is just sportrac with 0 consideration taken for Short's age since he'd be 30 in year 2 of said extension. I want to sign Short, but not for ridiculous $$$. I'd much rather have Eric Berry and overpay him at $11M per year (which is 10% above the top S contract).

That's great if he signs it.  If he holds out you still don't have his services or the money until next year.  The cap charge still stands until the season is over whether he gets the money or not.

[Guest]

How about we tag him and have him play on the tag in 2017? If we want to sign FAs this year, we are better off to tag him and then get a compensatory pick after we get him for a year. The compensation won't be cancelled out if we sign anyone this offseason. I don't see anyone trading for Short and paying that much money.

Or, hopefully, the 18M is just sportrac with 0 consideration taken for Short's age since he'd be 30 in year 2 of said extension. I want to sign Short, but not for ridiculous $$$. I'd much rather have Eric Berry and overpay him at $11M per year (which is 10% above the top S contract).

Id say odds of a tag are extremely high.

If I had my money on it, Id say, in order:

1. Tag - no contract... hits FA in 2018
2. Release to FA
3. Long Term contract
4. The apocalypse
5. Tag n trade to the Browns

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[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, lasus83 said:

Id say odds of a tag are extremely high.

If I had my money on it, Id say, in order:

1. Tag - no contract... hits FA in 2018
2. Release to FA
3. Long Term contract
4. The apocalypse
5. Tag n trade to the Browns

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I'll take number 1.  Accept number 2.  Wishful for number 3 but know it's a pipe dream.  I've stocked up on spam and amo so I'm ready for number 4.  Number 5 is PUnited kind of crazy but it just might work.

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I'm not sure what the hold out deadlines even are for a franchise player and when they lose an accrued season. That said, he'd be crazy to hold out. He'll be 29 after the 2017 season. If he holds out and plays like crap, he cost himself a lot of money. Take the money and then sign the deal after 2017. Again, he's not Fletcher Cox, who was 25 when he signed his extension, effectively 3 years earlier than Short will sign his post franchise tag deal.

I agree but Dave doesn't have the luxury of playing that waiting game.  It will come down to what his contact demands are for an extension.   I having a feeling that based on a prior situation Dave is not going to apply the tag if he doesn't think it will result in a decent long term contract.   No more attempts on one year rentals of guys that want to get paid top money.

[Kevin Greene]

3 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

KK: Tag and Trade

When was the last time a player was tagged and traded successfully? I believe it was Matt Cassell when the Patriots raped the Chiefs for the 34th pick 8 years ago. It simply doesn't happen and won't happen here. Sign and Trade Julius Peppers, Josh Norman, KK!!1!!1!!!11!!1

It's not happening folks, this is the new NFL.

Get another idea.

[CPantherKing]

The Panthers can always tag him and allow him to negotiate with other teams.

If no team wants to give up compensation for him, then you have KK for another season. With the ability to tag him again in 2018. If he holds out, then he can only sign with the Panthers for 2017.

The point is a GM has to be a skilled negotiator to pull this off, and we all know Gettleman has the negotiating skill of a Black Friday shopper with a new credit card to max out.

[Guest]

The Panthers can always tag him and allow him to negotiate with other teams.

If no team wants to give up compensation for him, then you have KK for another season. With the ability to tag him again in 2018. If he holds out, then he can only sign with the Panthers for 2017.

The point is a GM has to be a skilled negotiator to pull this off, and we all know Gettleman has the negotiating skill of a Black Friday shopper with a new credit card to max out.

Again, I hope you are right and we pull this off.

It is just really far fetched.

Like my Idea to sell KB as the next Dez to Dallas and get La'el Collins and a 2nd in return.

If we were gonna trade him, our window was week 6 of last year (that still the deadline?).

Hell, I advocated a norman trade the year before he got tagged... when he was the best CB in the universe... and got flamed by Frank on WFNZ.

DG is a savy negotiator... but with contracts. He hasn't shown any propensity to get value fdom guys like KK or Norman.

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[jayflip]

6 hours ago, frash.exe said:

does everybody need to create a thread for every plan they have for what we should do with each specific player

It's Chuck. He actually managed to get banned from the TBox like 4 times. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

3 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

When was the last time a player was tagged and traded successfully? I believe it was Matt Cassell when the Patriots raped the Chiefs for the 34th pick 8 years ago. It simply doesn't happen and won't happen here. Sign and Trade Julius Peppers, Josh Norman, KK!!1!!1!!!11!!1

It's not happening folks, this is the new NFL.

Get another idea.

Peppers wasn't traded bc we wanted to work a long term deal with him. Let him played the whole season out under the tag.