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I know it's wrong BUT.....

dardarroarroar

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41 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

There's this other 2nd year receiver we have that couldn't even crack the 400 yard mark in his 2nd year! But let's bash the dude that has totalled 136 catches, 1949 yards and 16td'a in 2 years!

Some people aren't just looking at stats on their face. The quitting on routes and essentially letting a CB rip the ball from you---rip the game from you---even though you are the biggest wide receiver in the league is highly disappointing. 

Funchess is a totally different animal. I take issue with anyone that says the kid isn't giving max effort out there. Things just haven't clicked as fast or as smoothly as we all would have liked. Part of it may be Funchess, I don't know, but unlike KB who is arguably over-targeted to the detriment of the flow of the offense, Funchess should have been targeted more. Funchess should have been on the field more. Chemistry with Cam, and coaching is arguably more at the root of his lack of production than lack of effort.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think expectations are a little off for KB. Considering that this was basically his Sophomore year, and one where he had to psychologically get back into the game because of a major injury, I don't believe he should be scoured. But the effort has to be there at all times! 

On an off note, sometimes the raw numbers aren't the best indicator or reflection as to how a season has gone for our receivers. Due to the way our offense is run---with the emphasis on the run (and the arguably over-reliance on the read option) and arguably arbitrary rotations---our receivers aren't necessarily going to have the opportunity to pad stats like a receiver in a more traditional passing offense. Moreover, our coaches need to play to their strengths more in my opinion, and stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole. A legit, play-making "route-ologist" with decent speed and good hands will probably make everyone on offense more efficient.

 

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KB isn't a #1, let's be honest, he's a great #2 though.   He isn't dependable enough.   His first season was filled with garbage time stats, at least half his numbers.    He gives up on routes, he's lazy, holds all the time, stalls drives.  He's essentially what he was in college so we can't blame him.  

We need a true #1 WR out there.

That being said, I bet he thought he'd need a lot more gloves lol.    

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2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Lol yep.

59 yards away from having another 1000 receiving year while coming off a knee injury. The KB hate on this board is pathetic.

There's this other 2nd year receiver we have that couldn't even crack the 400 yard mark in his 2nd year! But let's bash the dude that has totalled 136 catches, 1949 yards and 16td'a in 2 years!

I agree with you on the foolish idea of bashing one, and not the other.

It was a terrible season. At this point I'm not bashing either.

In regards to Funchess, it's important to maintain perspective a bit. When he begins his third NFL season, he will only be 23 years old. It's still pretty early.

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2 hours ago, Zaximus said:

KB isn't a #1, let's be honest, he's a great #2 though.   He isn't dependable enough.   His first season was filled with garbage time stats, at least half his numbers.    He gives up on routes, he's lazy, holds all the time, stalls drives.  He's essentially what he was in college so we can't blame him.  

We need a true #1 WR out there.

That being said, I bet he thought he'd need a lot more gloves lol.    

sounds like a year with SS would do him wonders on that front...

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3 hours ago, top dawg said:

Some people aren't just looking at stats on their face. The quitting on routes and essentially letting a CB rip the ball from you---rip the game from you---even though you are the biggest wide receiver in the league is highly disappointing. 

Funchess is a totally different animal. I take issue with anyone that says the kid isn't giving max effort out there. Things just haven't clicked as fast or as smoothly as we all would have liked. Part of it may be Funchess, I don't know, but unlike KB who is arguably over-targeted to the detriment of the flow of the offense, Funchess should have been targeted more. Funchess should have been on the field more. Chemistry with Cam, and coaching is arguably more at the root of his lack of production than lack of effort.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think expectations are a little off for KB. Considering that this was basically his Sophomore year, and one where he had to psychologically get back into the game because of a major injury, I don't believe he should be scoured. But the effort has to be there at all times! 

On an off note, sometimes the raw numbers aren't the best indicator or reflection as to how a season has gone for our receivers. Due to the way our offense is run---with the emphasis on the run (and the arguably over-reliance on the read option) and arguably arbitrary rotations---our receivers aren't necessarily going to have the opportunity to pad stats like a receiver in a more traditional passing offense. Moreover, our coaches need to play to their strengths more in my opinion, and stop trying to force a square peg into a round hole. A legit, play-making "route-ologist" with decent speed and good hands will probably make everyone on offense more efficient.

 

I'm just going to touch on a few things you mentioned in order of which I bolded.

1) He's fumbled twice in his career. I'm willing to bet he never lets another corner rip the ball away like that again. Marcus Peters is no slouch either. Yes it was a terrible thing to have happen at the worst time but it's not like this is a reoccurring thing. 

2) "things just haven't clicked" Story of Devin's career so far including Michigan. Michigan fans were always waiting for him to have that breakout year and it just never came. Sure QB play played a role in that but it's really beginning to look like Funchess is that type of player that just won't be able to live up to expectations. Given Funchess' size and athleticism expectations have always been high. He's yet to put it all together and I'm just not talking about the 2 years he's spent with Carolina. At some point you need to call a spade a spade. Next season will be his make or break. Year 3 in the NFL with the same QB, no excuses. 

3) Devin has slipped on a few routes where he was the go-to receiver. Jeremy touched on a situation that happened in New Orleans with Cam (yelling I believe?) at Devin. At this point Cam is losing faith in Devin and it's becoming evident with the lack of looks. Devin has failed to show up when called upon and Cam simply rather look elsewhere. That's on Funchess to get his poo together. 

 

I know what you're trying to say with stats and opportunities but Benjamin has proven to be trust worthy. Has there been hiccups? 100% but hes shown a heck of a lot more than Funchess has in his 2 seasons. Benjiman draws the number 1 corner week after week as well. I can guarantee you teams game plan for Benji, Funchess not so much.

 

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The only thing that bothers me is when it looks like he isn't giving his full effort. Dude was a freak on that final drive against the Bucs... I wish he'd play like that all game


Exactly that's what bothers me so much there was this one throw from Cam that wasn't that bad and it hit him directly in the chest and he still didn't catch it I'm not saying that he is the worse and he should be gone immediately because he may come back with a vengeance next year but I'm talking about these games where it look like he could've caught that he should have caught that and But I'm pretty sure everybody has these moments


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