"Cam isn't good at the short, quick throws"

[AviationMX]

WTF?

Roger's QBR 78

Newt's 54

 it's too hard to hit KB in a slant-guess we need bigger receivers lol

...and for the last time, if Newt isn't going to set his freaking feet- he never going to hit tight windows....how is it that when we had a no name receiver core in 2015 the Newt's QBR was 70?

I can only guess but maybe he set his freaking feet and actually threw like a pro - btw AR had QBR of 61 in 2015

but I love the Newt's hats this year!!!

This rant was left over from 2016...please return to 2017 at your leisure. 

 

 

[pantherphan96]

I think Cam's natural arm talent can work against him in the sense that he can get lazy with his footwork because in a clean pocket he can sling a beautiful pass off his back foot. At the same time I think the major reason for his shoddy footwork this year is the pocket collapsing around him. Even when the edge of the pocket is holding often the inside of the pocket is pushed back, keeping him from being able to step up and deliver accurate passes. Playcall definitely has something to do with it as well.

Hoping this offseason there is a major overhaul in the offense and that Dorsey/Shula/anyone will work with Cam to improve his mechanics.

[shaqattaq]

On 1/2/2017 at 7:54 AM, stirs said:

Consistent mechanics will be paramount for a quick pass, slant type offense.  

Mechanics wasn't a problem (much) last season when Cam actually had a pocket. Fug Trump and Mexico, we need to build a wall around Cam!

[Borat]

7 hours ago, stirs said:

We can debate the issues all day long, but the facts are that Cam is just not that consistently accurate.  For whatever reason.  What is the completion percentage this year and rank?

I have no idea why this is that hard to admit. Dude barely completed 50% of his passes this year; he was dead last in the league and it wasn't particularly close. 

 Even in down years, most QBs these days don't really drop below 60% (if at all -- only 6/30 qualifying QBs did this year). 

[stirs]

The one thing I worry about beyond the mechanics, injuries, lack of protection, etc., is the fact that I think the league knows that the Panthers are going to cut way back on Cams running due to potential injuries.  Defenses will breath a lot easier and the spy they normally put near the line is now in coverage.

Cam will have to live on his arm going forward i think.  Makes it tougher on him for sure not being a dual threat

[truthjuice]

1 hour ago, shaqattaq said:

Mechanics wasn't a problem (much) last season when Cam actually had a pocket. Fug Trump and Mexico, we need to build a wall around Cam!

LOL this was the best thing I've read all day. 

[truthjuice]

1 hour ago, Borat said:

I have no idea why this is that hard to admit. Dude barely completed 50% of his passes this year; he was dead last in the league and it wasn't particularly close. 

 Even in down years, most QBs these days don't really drop below 60% (if at all -- only 6/30 qualifying QBs did this year). 

Serious question...doesn't completion percentage also factor in dropped passes? I know he has work to do, I think everybody can admit that but he had also had other factors working against him too. 

[therealmjl]

3 hours ago, AviationMX said:

WTF?

Roger's QBR 78

Newt's 54

 it's too hard to hit KB in a slant-guess we need bigger receivers lol

...and for the last time, if Newt isn't going to set his freaking feet- he never going to hit tight windows....how is it that when we had a no name receiver core in 2015 the Newt's QBR was 70?

I can only guess but maybe he set his freaking feet and actually threw like a pro - btw AR had QBR of 61 in 2015

but I love the Newt's hats this year!!!

This rant was left over from 2016...please return to 2017 at your leisure. 

 

 

Oh okay.

[Borat]

2 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

Serious question...doesn't completion percentage also factor in dropped passes? I know he has work to do, I think everybody can admit that but he had also had other factors working against him too. 

He was definitely in a poor situation, but he was by no means the only one (or even in the worst). His accuracy is so stastically divergent from his peers, even those in similar situations, that basically no amount of "other factors working against him" can explain it away. 

[TheRed]

38 minutes ago, Borat said:

He was definitely in a poor situation, but he was by no means the only one (or even in the worst). His accuracy is so stastically divergent from his peers, even those in similar situations, that basically no amount of "other factors working against him" can explain it away. 

I think it's a combo of several things.

1. The offense we run. It's predicated on receivers getting separation, and even then the QB more often than not has a very tight window with which to ensure completions. When you combine this with long developing routes, you're asking for your QB to take sacks.

2. Our receivers outside of Olsen have been much less than satisfactory at getting separation, and running routes.

3. OL. It has clearly begun to affect Newton to the point that he is expecting pressure when it isn't really there.

4. Injuries, he was lucky his acl wasn't shredded against the Rams, they went low on one particular play that was quite blatant. But he was noticeably affected from then on. He also injured his throwing shoulder on a run. Then there were the numerous headshots throughout the season, I have to say I seriously doubt he only had one concussion, never seen a QB at any point recently take that much punishment.

Overall it seems like everything took a serious toll on him physically and mentally. Knowing the type of guy he is, he will bounce back. He had a bad season, no doubt.

Also, as I stated earlier in the thread, there are people in our fan base who basically wait for things like this. You would not believe the vitriol that existed here before, and after we drafted him. Some of those people are still here sour about how wrong they were. We truly have some loathesome fans at times. Much like some of the idiots on your own board that wanted to run Matt Ryan out of town not long ago, we have even worse here.

[ladypanther]

On 1/2/2017 at 7:50 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

One argument I have seen against changing up the offense a bit is that Cam isn't particularly good at short quick throws. 

Fug that. 

It might have something to do with Cam spending the entire OTA and training camp in a system that calls for him holding onto the ball for 4 seconds and throwing deep ball after deep ball. 

I have said since Cam was drafted every year in camp I am amazed about how long it takes for the plays to develop and Cam to throw the ball. It was not like that under the Fox regime. 

A new offensive coordinator is needed. One that can take an intelligent, physical freak like Cam Newton to the next level. Cam has hit his ceiling under the current regime, but personally he still has much more room to grow. 

There is no doubt in my mind that with a proper mentor, Newton could become that Aaron Rodgers type player. Deadly in the long game, deadly in the short game, and a threat to run. 

 

/rant

Remember this?

 

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Newton said Jerry Richardson has implored the strong-armed quarterback to improve his accuracy on some of the shorter throws that defenses often concede. Newton started to refer to the team’s owner and founder as “Coach Richardson” on Friday before correcting himself.

“As Mr. Richardson says, the layups. The gimme throws,” Newton said. “I always ask for brutal honesty from the superior forces that are in my life, from coach (Ron) Rivera to Mr. Richardson to Mr. (Dave) Gettleman and from my father.

“You hear it often: Yeah, you can throw the comebacks and the digs. But what about the checkdowns and slants and just getting back to the small nuances of the game? That makes big differences.”

 

[READ MORE: Complete Carolina Panthers coverage]

7/29/16

 

I think it is time for JR to have a talk with Shula about the shorter throws, routes, etc. (unless he talks to Gettleman 1st and says get someone else-ha ha).

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article92633402.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Guest]

Lets just trade Cam and pick up Callie Bundy

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[falconidae]

4 hours ago, truthjuice said:

Serious question...doesn't completion percentage also factor in dropped passes? I know he has work to do, I think everybody can admit that but he had also had other factors working against him too. 

Don't think so, and that hurts Cam than about any other QB.

[Lumps]

We need better coaching to teach our 7 year QB mechanics? Er...