"Cam isn't good at the short, quick throws"

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, TheRed said:

It's an indictment on the offense we run chief.

I don't think KB or Funchess are "slow", but everyone outside of Olsen, and Ginn without a doubt had trouble getting separation consistently.

It isn't something to absolve or soley blame anyone, it's another piece to the puzzle of misery that was the 2016 season.

As far as dumping it off to Stewart, I think every now and again that would help, but overall our offense was so predictable that not even Stewart could get much going at times. Besides, again, we don't run the dink and dunk dump off offense.

We saw flashes of our 2015 offense when we ran the uptempo, and we ran that a lot in 2015 to fantastic success, but for some reason it just didn't happen much in 2016. I'm sure the OL played a role in that, but a good OC should be able to scheme around those deficiencies to a degree.

All that said, regardless of Shula, we didn't do our offense many favors in the offseason. We took it for granted while the rest of the division, and the league for that matter improved their rosters overall.

The whole point of that post was to add clarity to the shitty posts that just scream about completion percentage while ignoring any other mitigating factors.

I would expect you to say this. You are rarely objective about anything to do with Cam or this offense.

The whole point of the post was to discuss one of the factors in why Cam had such a low completion percentage. The issue I addressed was that article was addressing quarterback aggressively throwing the ball regardless of coverage. Lost among this was the fact that between the 1st ranked and 10th ranked guy was only 3 percentage points which may not even be a significant difference.

[Lumps]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

Looks like someone out there actually watches the games. Hell he's more knowledgeable than some of our own fans shitposting in this very thread.

But ermegherd his completion percentage!

Dumb stat is dumb.

 

what about how many WRs have had at least one yards separation and WEREN'T thrown to? There  are stat on how many of those we've had?  because cam was staring down was forcing throws which we all knows is his weakness, evidenced by the WRs getting open quite a bit and being missed with the exception of the end of this season. Or when he's holding on to the ball too damn long for a stupid play call and should be checking down or throwing the short pass.

 

Soryy but that stat is worthless garbage.

[TheRed]

29 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I would expect you to say this. You are rarely objective about anything to do with Cam or this offense.

The whole point of the post was to discuss one of the factors in why Cam had such a low completion percentage. The issue I addressed was that article was addressing quarterback aggressively throwing the ball regardless of coverage. Lost among this was the fact that between the 1st ranked and 10th ranked guy was only 3 percentage points which may not even be a significant difference.

This always happens with you. Just a few hours ago you were agreeing with me, now you're calling me a Cam homer. Did you down half a bottle of scotch in the last few hours or something? Even though I've never once attempted to completely absolve him of blame. I actually have not laid the blame of our offensive struggles at any one person this season. People here have been quite hard on guys like KB, some almost ready to run him out of town. I've already in this very thread acknowledged that Newton had a bad season. But I also added extra perspective to the data beyond the generic "but completion percentage!!!" tomfoolery.

Also, I see you quoting me Lumps. Crawl back in your hole. You were nowhere to be found last season, so you can eat a dick as far as I'm concerned.

[panthers55]

17 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This always happens with you. Just a few hours ago you were agreeing with me, now you're calling me a Cam homer. Did you down half a bottle of scotch in the last few hours or something? Even though I've never once attempted to completely absolve him of blame. I actually have not laid the blame of our offensive struggles at any one person this season. People here have been quite hard on guys like KB, some almost ready to run him out of town. I've already in this very thread acknowledged that Newton had a bad season. But I also added extra perspective to the data beyond the generic "but completion percentage!!!" tomfoolery.

Also, I see you quoting me Lumps. Crawl back in your hole. You were nowhere to be found last season, so you can eat a dick as far as I'm concerned.

Are you saying that you think you objectively look at. Cam and report both sides of the story versus only presenting him in a favorable light and blaming everyone else for his issues?

As for admitting he had a bad year, that is hardly a bold admission or news to anyone. LOL

 

 

[TheRed]

14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Are you saying that you think you objectively look at. Cam and report both sides of the story versus only presenting him in a favorable light and blaming everyone else for his issues?

As for admitting he had a bad year, that is hardly a bold admission or news to anyone. LOL

 

 

Well obviously you thought so just mere hours ago because you agreed with me.

Or was that your other personality?

Enjoy the rest of your evening Dr. Jekyll.

 

[Peppers90 NC]

Good grief. It must suck to have to name-call or throw insults at every other poster. Talk about bitter and hateful. 

[GoobyPls]

4 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You know Funchess ran a 

4.4  40 at his pro day. Ginn only runs a 4.3 40. You think that is slow?

And he ran a 4.7 at the combine which is laser official time. Everyone runs fast at their pro day. Funchess is a tight end playing receiver, your crazy to think he's even remotely fast compared with other WR

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

And he ran a 4.7 at the combine which is laser official time. Everyone runs fast at their pro day. Funchess is a tight end playing receiver, your crazy to think he's even remotely fast compared with other WR

So you think that a person can't run two different times in 2 different occasions without one being incorrect,? You do know that even 3/10ths of a second is a mere blink of an eye. It couldn't be possible to work on a specific skill like sprinting for a month or two and gain a few tenths of a second.

Crazy right?

[GoobyPls]

26 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So you think that a person can't run two different times in 2 different occasions without one being incorrect,? You do know that even 3/10ths of a second is a mere blink of an eye. It couldn't be possible to work on a specific skill like sprinting for a month or two and gain a few tenths of a second.

Crazy right?

That 3/10ths makes a huge difference in the NFL. And no Funchess has never been fast, go read his scouting report or what Michigan fans said about him.  

 

 

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

That 3/10ths makes a huge difference in the NFL. And no Funchess has never been fast, go read his scouting report or what Michigan fans said about him. 

lets remember that his quarterback was awful at Michigan which.meant half of the time the ball never even got close to him. Plus as a tight end he would be working routes which don't take advantage of any speed he may have. Funchess came in very raw last year and still has a lot to learn. But he isn't as slow or as bad as you want to portray him.

[TheRed]

9 hours ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Good grief. It must suck to have to name-call or throw insults at every other poster. Talk about bitter and hateful. 

You are welcome to join in boy.

[Darvinsun]

On 1/3/2017 at 3:20 PM, stirs said:

The one thing I worry about beyond the mechanics, injuries, lack of protection, etc., is the fact that I think the league knows that the Panthers are going to cut way back on Cams running due to potential injuries.  Defenses will breath a lot easier and the spy they normally put near the line is now in coverage.

Cam will have to live on his arm going forward i think.  Makes it tougher on him for sure not being a dual threat

I think Cam will still run maybe not as much but I think this year he was banged up majority of the season.  I think they were trying to keep it low key to keep teams from teeing off on the injuries until it became absolutely apparent he was hurt...didn't  really matter tho because teams were still teeing off on him...then with the line being suspect and receivers not helping much ..i think Cam was just drained...He will be better next yr with everything he got going on newborn and pregnant girlfriend might not was getting the proper rest as well.

[tiger7_88]

12 hours ago, TheRed said:

Well obviously you thought so just mere hours ago because you agreed with me.

Or was that your other personality?

Enjoy the rest of your evening Dr. Jekyll.

 

Dude, if you impinge on the genius of Michael Shula Esq. in even a miniscule way, panthers55 goes full Hulk Rage Mode.

[tiger7_88]

Does anyone else detect the implied gleefulness of David Newton in this article?

http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/24243/cam-newton-wasnt-a-tier-1-quarterback-and-now-hes-not-tier-2

Quote

 

What kind of quarterback he'll be when he returns for the 2017 season remains to be seen.

But I can guarantee he won't be Tier 1.

 

Or is it just me?