What do you make out of Cams press conference?

[Ja Rhule]

2 minutes ago, Icebox said:

I'm not sure who you are referring to specifically, but are you saying those extensions would not have been possible with the more than $25 million we had left in cap space?

Might want to go check your numbers again.  We had just little over $14M in cap space remaining.

[gmonjimbo]

His comments don't bother me,other players on the team mentioned doing the same thing. They need time to decompress then figure out what they need to do to make the team better. 

[Ja Rhule]

Just now, Dr. Quest said:

Like what exactly? 

Drama

[Icebox]

2 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

Might want to go check your numbers again.  We had just little over $14M in cap space remaining.

After rookie contracts, etc... When we let Norman walk, we had well over $25M.

[Ja Rhule]

5 minutes ago, Icebox said:

After rookie contracts, etc... When we let Norman walk, we had well over $25M.

And after extending few players we only had $14M

[stirs]

Most people live in the moment.  DG nor any GM can have that mindset.  You always have to be looking down the road.

One year removed and Bradberry is going to be as good as Norman and for how much difference in money?  Good move.

Anyway, back to Cam.  On one hand, you are a fan and want the guy as your QB forever, especially when remembering all the runs for TD's and cannon arm throws.  

Then, reality and long term vision tells you that Cam has a whole lot more going on in life than YOUR entertainment value.  He has ventures outside football already and the money to walk away from the game at any time.  With this in mind, and due to the fact that he will have to become a primarily passing QB due to injury risks, then the future might be less than more.  I personally suspect he will not even play out his current contract, much less sign a new one.

So, what do you do with this as a GM?  Wait until he retires leaving you with nothing?  Or do you do something profound while he still has trade value?

IF, you were going to do something, this offseason would be the one.

Cleveland has been in search of a QB for about 30 years and is in a constant losing situation because they cannot draft nor develop one.  They would be the team to fleece for a ton of picks only to find out that Cam retires after the 2018 season. (hypothetical)

Clevelands first pick in this years draft, plus Emanual Ogbah, and next years first.

We get Garrett and Ogbah and Fournette immediately.  Without Cam contract, we sign someone like Cousins and use the other draft picks and cap room to sprinkle in Olineman and safety.

Anyway, you just have to be realistic and not relegate your thinking to the current Panther jersey you hold.

Who knows, Cam might play another 10 years and win 3 Super Bowls, but I doubt it

[truthjuice]

7 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

Drama

What drama (this time)? Cam's comments are nothing different than what a lot of players say around the league after a tough season. The Huddle is making more out of these comments. If, for whatever reason, he wants to trade Cam that should tell you a lot about DG lmao. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

And after extending few players we only had $14M

Sportrac has us at almost 19 (5th most). 

Not sure how accurate they are though 

[iamhubby1]

26 minutes ago, Icebox said:

I agree that DG is very much to blame for sitting on the 3rd most cap space in the league - doing nothing to improve our offensive line or secondary. ANYONE should have seen those problems on the horizon.

 

6 minutes ago, Icebox said:

I'm not sure who you are referring to specifically, but are you saying those extensions would not have been possible with the more than $25 million we had left in cap space?

 

Um...I know you are trying to make a point. But your math is way, way off. Last year, all our free money was going to go to Josh. We were no where near the top of the league in Cap Space.

 

This will be the first year that Gman will have actual cash to play with. Coupled with how this year went. All that money has folks all in a tither.

 

For most of us. Gman has done an admiral job stocking this team at WalMart. This will be the first year where he can pretty much shop where ever he wants. And folks are antsy to see what he does.

 

Don't fall into that trap of blaming Gman blindly, just cuz all the kids are doing it.

[Ja Rhule]

1 minute ago, truthjuice said:

What drama (this time)? Cam's comments are nothing different than what a lot of players say around the league after a tough season. The Huddle is making more out of these comments. If, for whatever reason, he wants to trade Cam that should tell you a lot about DG lmao. 

Read Stirs post.  Cam is a face of our franchise and we have a lot invested in him.

[stirs]

Once we cut bait with Josh, there was nothing out there left to purchase

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, stirs said:

Most people live in the moment.  DG nor any GM can have that mindset.  You always have to be looking down the road.

One year removed and Bradberry is going to be as good as Norman and for how much difference in money?  Good move.

Anyway, back to Cam.  On one hand, you are a fan and want the guy as your QB forever, especially when remembering all the runs for TD's and cannon arm throws.  

Then, reality and long term vision tells you that Cam has a whole lot more going on in life than YOUR entertainment value.  He has ventures outside football already and the money to walk away from the game at any time.  With this in mind, and due to the fact that he will have to become a primarily passing QB due to injury risks, then the future might be less than more.  I personally suspect he will not even play out his current contract, much less sign a new one.

So, what do you do with this as a GM?  Wait until he retires leaving you with nothing?  Or do you do something profound while he still has trade value?

IF, you were going to do something, this offseason would be the one.

Cleveland has been in search of a QB for about 30 years and is in a constant losing situation because they cannot draft nor develop one.  They would be the team to fleece for a ton of picks only to find out that Cam retires after the 2018 season. (hypothetical)

Clevelands first pick in this years draft, plus Emanual Ogbah, and next years first.

We get Garrett and Ogbah and Fournette immediately.  Without Cam contract, we sign someone like Cousins and use the other draft picks and cap room to sprinkle in Olineman and safety.

Anyway, you just have to be realistic and not relegate your thinking to the current Panther jersey you hold.

Who knows, Cam might play another 10 years and win 3 Super Bowls, but I doubt it

It is a pretty big leap to claim Bradberry will now be just as good as the 2015 Norman. 

Bradberry was a rookie on the 32nd best pass defense.  Part of what made Norman so good....had little to do with his technical ability to play DB anyway.  

[CRA]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

Once we cut bait with Josh, there was nothing out there left to purchase

Which is part of why Dave's pulling of the tag and not renting Norman was such a horrible move. 

[truthjuice]

4 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

Read Stirs post.  Cam is a face of our franchise and we have a lot invested in him.

Still, what drama? I haven't watched yet but it was mentioned that he said he was joking. Either way, I don't think anyone - not even Gettleman - should jump on the "drama" train unless his ego or feelings are hurt. I also don't think we have anything to worry about at QB for another 5 years or so. I don't see Cam just quitting like that.