Really Ron? Wants to keep same staff

[AceBoogie]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's been suggested before and the stats don't really back it up.

Someone a while back checked Spotrac and found we were actually spending much more on offense than defense.

That's because a lot of guys are still on lower deals, but the investment in terms of draft picks have been 75% defense the last few hours. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

That's because a lot of guys are still on lower deals, but the investment in terms of draft picks have been 75% defense the last few hours. 

We drafted within the last few hours?

And no. Last year is the only defense heavy draft. The others were all balanced.

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We drafted within the last few hours?

And no. Last year is the only defense heavy draft. The others were all balanced.

When I look at the draft I'm really only talking about the top 2 rounds. When you go back and look at the top 2 rounds its not even close. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

When I look at the draft I'm really only talking about the top 2 rounds. When you go back and look at the top 2 rounds its not even close. 

And if you look at the first round only prior to 2016, it's one to two.

(see, because if you keep looking for a different way to spin them, eventually stats will say what you want to)

As mentioned earlier, if you look at the top three rounds (which is how "high draft picks" is generally defined) again, it's almost even.

But hey, if you discount all the offensive picks, we've drafted nothing but defense in the last four years.

So obviously, Gettleman is trying to get rid of Cam Newton.

[Camp Fodder]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I pretty much thought this would be common knowledge. I guess I can see how Gman not getting to hire his own Coach could cause confusion. But by and large. The GM is the boss. I mean, Ron was only in his second year when Gman arrived. Just because we kept our Coach, it does not mean Gman has no power.

 

I wonder if/when Gman fires Ron, if @Snake will say it was actually JR who fired Ron?

 

That Jerry. He is something ain't he?

I believe it's always been JR in the past that fired the head coach

[iamhubby1]

7 minutes ago, Camp Fodder said:

I believe it's always been JR in the past that fired the head coach

 

JR pretty much hires people, and lets them do his job. IMO, the only people JR has actually fired are Polian, and Hurney. Two GMS. Jerry is very hands off, because he trusts who he hires.

 

Now he may interject some sage advice every so often. But for the most part. He is as hands off as there is.

[Snake]

5 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 

First. The Logo at mid-field because JR is showing his loyalty to the NFL. That has nothing to do with the hierarchy within the Organization.

 

Second. I am not sure why you think that a GM doesn't have any power? Next to the Owner, the GM is top dog where football operations are concerned. Gman controls the players, coaches, scouts, any and all personnel involved with the football side of the Franchise.

 

If Gman wanted, he could fire Rivera today, and name Proehl as the HC. Ron has control over his staff, and that's pretty much it. If Ron wants to cut a player, because of contract constrictions, he has to get GMans approval.

 

Lastly. When he got the job, Gman was told Ron was his Coach. That is true. But it is only so, because Ron was only in the second year of his contract. You usually don't fire a Coach after only two years, even if you, as we did, bring in a new GM. That scenario does not take away the power that Gman has over Ron.

 

You, for some reason, have taken the circumstances of Gmans' hiring, and turned it into Gman having no power. That just isn't the case.

 

 

If you don't do it then why did it need to be said? JR even had a hand in drafting Cam Newton , if JR would have given the no gp we would have been watching  Cam in other colors. Daves title is GM but his job is personal. JR has always run his franchise like Jerry Jones. 

[iamhubby1]

14 minutes ago, Snake said:

If you don't do it then why did it need to be said? JR even had a hand in drafting Cam Newton , if JR would have given the no gp we would have been watching  Cam in other colors. Daves title is GM but his job is personal. JR has always run his franchise like Jerry Jones. 

 

I do believe that this statement pretty much sums up our discussion.

 

If I have this right. You have taken two isolated instances, and construed that into JR is a Jerry?

 

So let me ask you this? How involved is JR? What are his day to day responsibilities? Does he even know the kids on his practice squad?

 

The truth is, JR hires people, and lets them do their job. And if memory serves, JR had no idea who Cam was before we drafted him.

[csx]

3 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

I believe it's always been JR in the past that fired the head coach

That's because Hurney had no spine and the previous coach was the GM and there was no GM when Capers was canned.

[pantherphan96]

23 hours ago, rodeo said:

what the hell is it about this guy that has people wanting to give him a 30th chance?

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he's a fuging loser who owes everything he has to his father

answered your own question there.

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, csx said:

That's because Hurney had no spine and the previous coach was the GM and there was no GM when Capers was canned.

 

Man, it really is kinda weird how certain things have happened around here. If you take your statement at face value, you see a team in disarray. Where on the surface, you see a team...in search of an identity.

 

IMO, JR HAS a clear picture of what he wants this team to be. But...for whatever reason. Things just have never worked out. He has been close, oh so close. But he has yet to see his dream become a reality.

 

To me, Gman is the best thing to happen to this Organization since Polian. Us fans have clamored for a "Football Guy" to run our team for over a decade. Well, we have him. Pray, let us give him a few years to make his bones.

[csx]

There isn't a GM in the league who can fire the coach without approval of the owner (s).  

[CarolinaSamurai]

14 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

I see you think last season was a fluke. 

 

Yes after this season it clearly was. Everyone was firing on all cylinders and there was a big play for the guy beside you mindset. That didn't exist this year. 

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, csx said:

There isn't a GM in the league who can fire the coach without approval of the owner (s).  

 

True, but on the flip side. There are few owners who will fire a Coach, without consulting the GM.

 

Because of contracts, very few Coaches can do any actual firing without the GMs approval. (Who will not need the owners approval.)

 

In almost every case. There is a clear cut hierarchy within an NFL Franchise. Coach < GM < Owner. And that is the crux of the debate between me, and @Snake. He is of the belief that JR is a hands on owner. I am trying to tell him, that JR is anything but.