Really Ron? Wants to keep same staff

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Snake said:

Money yes, because of Cam and a terrible contract with Stewart. But most of our drafts have been devoted to Defense.

2013: 5 picks, 2 offense, 3 defense

2014: 6 picks, 3 offense, 3 defense

2015: 5 picks, 3 offense, 2 defense

2016: 5 picks, 1 offense, 4 defense 

Basically, prior to this year, Gettleman had made 16 picks and they were split evenly between both sides of the ball.

The 2016 draft? Lopsided, but it's the only one.

[Snake]

Since Rivera has been a coach

Offense Drafted:15

Defense Drafted:21

Defense 1st round picks:4

Offensive 1st round picks:2

 

For FA:

Offense:10

Defense: 14

 

If anyone wants the breakdown of offensive priority over defensive priority.

[Snake]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

2013: 5 picks, 2 offense, 3 defense

2014: 6 picks, 3 offense, 3 defense

2015: 5 picks, 3 offense, 2 defense

2016: 5 picks, 1 offense, 4 defense 

Basically, prior to this year, Gettleman had made 16 picks and they were split evenly between both sides of the ball.

The 2016 draft? Lopsided, but it's the only one.

Defense has been more priority for Rivera. Dave is a small sample but its still more high picks to defense than offense. McD has had more overall talent and more players while Shula has had a few but really exceptional ones.

[brandon_87]

2 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Yes Shula can improve the play calling, but let's not forget that DG left him with same roster and did nothing to improve the offense after getting exposed by the Broncos. If your OL & FB can't block while your oversized WR can't create separation your doomed to fail

@KillerKat

@CPF4LIFE

@brandon_87

@Kevin Greene

@chknwing

 

? How about adapt into a pro style offense? Or if that's isn't do-able, develop a short passing game instead of going for home run every fuging play...Shula has got to go, end of story, dude has about as much offense as a pistachio 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Since Rivera has been a coach

Offense Drafted:15

Defense Drafted:21

Defense 1st round picks:4

Offensive 1st round picks:2

For FA:

Offense:10

Defense: 14

If anyone wants the breakdown of offensive priority over defensive priority.

Rivera was here before Gettleman. Can't really hold the current leadership accountable for what happened before they took charge.

If you look only at the Gettleman years on the Panthers site, again you see an even split. But for the record, the free-agent history listed there is not exhaustive. Street free agents come and go throughout the season, and there's no real recording of them there.

Plus there are undrafted players to talk about.

Sorry. It just doesn't hold up.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Snake said:

Defense has been more priority for Rivera. Dave is a small sample but its still more high picks to defense than offense. McD has had more overall talent and more players while Shula has had a few but really exceptional ones.

Even counting only the first three rounds, you only get a 4-3 split before this past draft.

[rodeo]

holy poo i can't believe some people are still in the "maybe Shula will get better" mindset. people have been hoping he would get better since he was at Tampa Bay.

what the hell is it about this guy that has people wanting to give him a 30th chance? he's a fuging loser who owes everything he has to his father

actually that last part sounds familiar if you look at the tinderbox posts of the people still supporting him. just saying

[CPantherKing]

4 hours ago, thebigcat said:

so I guess he is using his padded IR as the reasoning for this years collapse

I think he is safe with blaming the destruction of the secondary, the lack of OTs, the absence of a dependable DE, and inexperience at WR for the struggles in 2014 and 2016. Not much any coach could do with a front office that hands you a bag of instant mess.

 

4 hours ago, thebigcat said:

this means that Remmers and Oher will be our starting tackles because they were on our 15-1 roster?

That is up to Gettleman. I am sure Rivera has stood by the line that he wants players on the field he can trust. That would rule out Ealy, Boston, Butler, Worley, Bradberry, Funchess, KB, Ginn, Brown, Remmers, Oher, and CAP. When the GM purposefully sticks the coach with inexperienced players and no veterans as an option to replace them, then does the coach have much flexibility on what to work with on the field? Gettleman clearly leveraged Rivera into playing/starting his picks/projects.

I am sure Rivera would have went with Harper, Tillman, Norman, Allen, Finnegan, Edwards, and Cotchery if he was given the option. They all wanted to play another season for the Panthers and only retired or left because of Gettleman's choosing. Yes, I know they were old, but they were better than what the Panthers fielded in 2016. Do not forget the players were all led to believe they would keep the crew together for one more season at the start of the off season. Gettleman even told CJ he would not start, but Rivera was quick to make it known CJ was the best DE on the roster.

[Snake]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera was here before Gettleman. Can't really hold the current leadership accountable for what happened before they took charge.

If you look only at the Gettleman years on the Panthers site, again you see an even split. But for the record, the free-agent history listed there is not exhaustive. Street free agents come and go throughout the season, and there's no real recording of them there.

Plus there are undrafted players to talk about.

Sorry. It just doesn't hold up.

Cant just pick the stats you want. Dave is not the sole person who has formed this team and both Rivera and McD have been around the same time. Shula has been around longer than Dave as well. Better drafting or not the stats hold up that Rivera has added more defensive talent and drafted them at a higher place than offense.

 

 

 

[Fox007]

I hear LA wants to trade fora  coach.

Might give them picks to take him.

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Gettleman can't override him, he wasn't even able to pick his own coach. 

He was told take it or leave it.

 

Come on man. You have to know that the GM is above the coach. Gman answers to JR. If Gman wanted to tear this team down, he could. Ron answers to Gman. If Ron wanted to tear this team down, he would need Gmans permission.

 

Gman wasn't the first GM to take a job knowing he was stuck with the present coach. Don't make it sound like we were the first team to ever tell the incoming GM he is stuck with the incumbent coach.

 

 

 

 

 

[cbully]

6 hours ago, The Lobo said:

To be fair, what's he supposed to say?: "Fug Shula."?

no just simply "we will evaluate at the end of the season when I get with Dave"

[Snake]

34 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Come on man. You have to know that the GM is above the coach. Gman answers to JR. If Gman wanted to tear this team down, he could. Ron answers to Gman. If Ron wanted to tear this team down, he would need Gmans permission.

 

Gman wasn't the first GM to take a job knowing he was stuck with the present coach. Don't make it sound like we were the first team to ever tell the incoming GM he is stuck with the incumbent coach.

 

 

 

 

 

Not how JR sees it

                       

 

      ----JR----

Dave       Ron

 

Both can't get rid of each other. 

 

 

It's like Jerry Jones in Dallas. Everything runs though JR. 

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

Not how JR sees it

                       

 

      ----JR----

Dave       Ron

 

Both can't get rid of each other. 

 

So, you are telling me you know JR feelings about this? Or that the circumstances surrounding Gmans hiring negates the hierarchy in an NFL Franchise?

 

Well okay then. Good to know these things.

 

I mean, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.