Why The Hell Do We Keep Talking About "TE"?

[FootballLivesMatter]

14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I love how some posters can't wrap their head around the concept of improving at multiple positions at the same time. I agree with those posters and Gettleman who says you fill holes in free agency with vets so you can go BPA and develop them. I don't subscribe to the theory you have to start rookies if avoidable. Butler has shown significant improvement as a reserve coming off the bench. He couldn't have started for us this year. For every KB who comes in and shines his rookie year there are many more Butler's who need time to develop.

So draft a top TE in the second or third round and develop him but pick up a true vet TE to play. Draft an LT in the first and pick up a vet like we did with Oher. Matt kalil might be available for starters. Let Ryan work with his brother and develop him. 

I think we need to focus on the offense this season as long as we still upgrade some positions on defense like safety and DE. We will have 60-70 million in cap space.

This I do agree. 

I would rather sign Jermaine Gresham for 3-5 mil top than draft a young TE. 

Draft an OT and look at guys like Kalil and Whitworth. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

This I do agree. 

I would rather sign Jermaine Gresham for 3-5 mil top than draft a young TE. 

Draft an OT and look at guys like Kalil and Whitworth. 

I think drafting guys is needed to develop a core of young talent because you can't have free agents at all positions but like you said, why not draft good but manageable cap guys as free agents to come in and start while you develop the young guys. After the success we had with Olsen as a third round trade, I like that route as well. Who thinks we didn't rob Chicago blind on that deal.

[Ace_Aladdin]

2 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Let's get another TE for Cam to throw to while his ass is eating dirt and grass. Yea don't see that happening.

 

2 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

When we need not "one" BUT "two" OTs. 

When we need not "one" BUT possibly "two" DEs. 

When we need a strong safety. 

When we need another cornerback.

When we probably need to start looking at Stewart's replacement.

 

because if you draft a proper TE, it can help you solve the weak OT positon, improve your run blocking  and gives a consistent chain mover but you really don't know anything proper personnel   Igo ;) 

You should listen to your fellow Huddlers you might learn something,  I was right about Bradberry, Turner, Willams, J-Stew, etc etc 

P.S. we need 

1 OT 

1 DE

1 S

1 WR 

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

How come Ed Dickson had 100 receptions for over 1000 yards in his last 3 years in Baltimore sharing time with Pitta and we can barely get him 10 catches a year? Oh, he must suck bad. Sorry, but I don't have much confidence that Shula will be able to use people properly, like a TE2. I see people talking about Shockey and Olsen, well, guess what that was 2011 and wasn't Shula at OC. Did Shula ask for Dickson back in 2014 as well and couldn't do anything with him and now going back to the well assuming it's all the TE2's fault?

I'm not making excuses for Shula, but damn you and panthers55 sure want to deflect everything as if Shula's talent level on offense was so bad that he schemed them to the #1 scoring offense. Personally, I think his play calling and creativity is awful and he's one of those JAGs who needs a guy like Cam to have a career year to look good. He's not the long term answer. 

Ed Dickson isn't good.  Pick any TE that isn't very good and force feed him 89 targets....and there stat sheet for one season will show some productivity. 

I am not a Shula fan boy.  I just don't take part in this extreme bias view of what he is or isn't.    Shula did lobby for talent to scheme around the league countering the Panthers 2015 scheme.  He called it.  FO office did nothing.  Shula isn't great.  Neither are most OCs in the NFL.  Talent is king in the NFL.  If you don't give your coaches what they need....they fail overall.

Both our OC and DCs failed this year.  McD probably a bigger fail than Shula this year.  They weren't equipped properly in 2016 to counter the weaknesses on the roster opponents were going to attack and both knew it.  That is a FO fail.   You can acknowledge that and not love Shula.  Issue is people are so intent on bashing Shula they are willing to gloss over where others failed.

 

[FootballLivesMatter]

39 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

 

because if you draft a proper TE, it can help you solve the weak OT positon, improve your run blocking  and gives a consistent chain mover but you really don't know anything proper personnel   Igo ;) 

You should listen to your fellow Huddlers you might learn something,  I was right about Bradberry, Turner, Willams, J-Stew, etc etc 

P.S. we need 

1 OT 

1 DE

1 S

1 WR 

You didn't even know who Bradberry was 5 weeks after he was drafted. Cmon bro

[Ace_Aladdin]

26 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

You didn't even know who Bradberry was 5 weeks after he was drafted. Cmon bro

Haha just stop it man , I was the one who posted that Bradberry would be a better pick than Butler right after he was drafted & that we should have drafted Hunter Henry 

Listen to your fellow Huddlers ;)

PanthersUnited you gotta change up your alt account style Igo! 

[FootballLivesMatter]

1 minute ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Haha just stop it man , I was the one who posted that Bradberry would be a better pick than Butler right after he was drafted & that we should have drafted Hunter Henry 

Listen to your fellow Huddlers ;)

PanthersUnited you gotta change up your alt account style Igo! 

Sanjay the big vajayjay for GM right now!

[Ace_Aladdin]

29 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Sanjay the big vajayjay for GM right now!

All you have to do is listen to your fellow Huddlers 

in sanskrit  its means victorious btw looks like your dying for some, remember one you go black you don't go back!

;)

[FootballLivesMatter]

9 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

All you have to do is listen to your fellow Huddlers 

in sanskrit  its means victorious btw looks like your dying for some, remember one you go black you don't go back!

;)

Got that right. Go black don't go back. I'll take your wife.

[Swaggasaurus]

2 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

I agree man!!!!

 In 2011, Hurney said we weren't drafting a QB with questions marks with the Number 1 Pick. We chose Gabbert over Cam Newton. 

I can't even figure out what this means. Gabbert had more question marks than Cam. With Cam you were guaranteed an impact playmaker, a freak of nature, easy choice. It seems that you are on the Cam Robinson or bust train, I'm on the Cam Robinson is a bust train. Any one of Jamal Adams, Fournette, Cook, Peppers or Barnett is the clear cut safer pick. Corey Davis might be a better pick as well. You can't pick a guy with questions marks who you hope "keeps his nose clean" as you said.

[FootballLivesMatter]

53 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

I can't even figure out what this means. Gabbert had more question marks than Cam. With Cam you were guaranteed an impact playmaker, a freak of nature, easy choice. It seems that you are on the Cam Robinson or bust train, I'm on the Cam Robinson is a bust train. Any one of Jamal Adams, Fournette, Cook, Peppers or Barnett is the clear cut safer pick. Corey Davis might be a better pick as well. You can't pick a guy with questions marks who you hope "keeps his nose clean" as you said.

Lol Cam was not a guaranteed. You're so freaking spitting trash. He had red flags off the field. Many questioned his mechanics and accuracy and still showed this day that he needs to improve. 

Gabbert was the safer pick. Had an arm, accurate and some said his pro day was the best theyve seen. Mayock said Gabbert was going to be the first QB off the board. 

Hurney was able to overlooked Cam's red flags. And made the correct pick. 

Im all for Jamal Adams. He's my clear cut favorite player in this draft. However he made not be there at our pick. If Cam Robinson can keep his nose clean from now on and answer these hard questions that he will have to predraft, he's my guy over the rest. Cam played one hell of a game vs the possible no1 pick in April, Myles Garrett. He's the best OT in this class. If somehow he doesn't work out at LT in the NFL, I can't see why he can't be one of the best RT. Lane Johnson showed you don't need to be a LT. RT is pretty important too. 

Sometimes, you don't pick the safe pick. That's how you draft busts: Blaine Gabbert. 

[panthers55]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

How come Ed Dickson had 100 receptions for over 1000 yards in his last 3 years in Baltimore sharing time with Pitta and we can barely get him 10 catches a year? Oh, he must suck bad. Sorry, but I don't have much confidence that Shula will be able to use people properly, like a TE2. I see people talking about Shockey and Olsen, well, guess what that was 2011 and wasn't Shula at OC. Did Shula ask for Dickson back in 2014 as well and couldn't do anything with him and now going back to the well assuming it's all the TE2's fault?

I'm not making excuses for Shula, but damn you and panthers55 sure want to deflect everything as if Shula's talent level on offense was so bad that he schemed them to the #1 scoring offense. Personally, I think his play calling and creativity is awful and he's one of those JAGs who needs a guy like Cam to have a career year to look good. He's not the long term answer. 

 So you are saying that Dickson who averaged roughly 25 catches a year in Baltimore is grossly misused because he  averages 13 catches here. I wonder if his 1 catch extra catch a game might go to Olsen. Did Dickson have an Olsen in Baltimore to split time with.

Exactly.

And you want to ignore all the talent concerns and blame it on Shula. You are just extreme in one direction as you suggest CRA and I are in the other.

You certainly have your opinion and we have ours. Most pundits who know football say Shula is a good OC with good creative playcalling.  They also agreed that we had one of the worse wide receiving corps in the league last year.  So should we believe you or them.???  

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Got that right. Go black don't go back. I'll take your wife.

I don't have a  wifey yet , but I don't think you meet the "height" requirement to ride that ride! 

BTW I guess it must be awesome to take pictures of all the hot models, your eyes must  satisfy all your need.  

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

 So you are saying that Dickson who averaged roughly 25 catches a year in Baltimore is grossly misused because he  averages 13 catches here. I wonder if his 1 catch extra catch a game might go to Olsen. Did Dickson have an Olsen in Baltimore to split time with.

Exactly.

And you want to ignore all the talent concerns and blame it on Shula. You are just extreme in one direction as you suggest CRA and I are in the other.

You certainly have your opinion and we have ours. Most pundits who know football say Shula is a good OC with good creative playcalling.  They also agreed that we had one of the worse wide receiving corps in the league last year.  So should we believe you or them.???  

More so-called "pundits" are migrating to the other side. Sure, Shula had an excellent 2015 season, but you can't hang your hat on one season of greatness when so many others point to mediocrity. 

Yeah, you'll disagree about his entire body of work, but sometimes an infusion of new ideas and blood  is warranted because the status quo is simply stale. Shula's act is arguably getting old.