Why The Hell Do We Keep Talking About "TE"?

[FootballLivesMatter]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You're all over the place and shortsighted, and shouldn't be referring to anyone as a fool from where I sit.

I didn't say anything about trading back, nor have I ever. The only thing I have ever said about moving inasmuch as it relates to the draft is that I would be reluctant to trade up unless you believe that you're moving up to get a surefire talent (or as sure as can be given it's a ultimately a guessing game). I have never championed moving down or up.

Just because the only way that you apparently see us acquiring a top-end TE is in a scenario which involves moving down is your problem. Just because you don't see how a Howard or Butt (or any player) can increase their draft stock considerably with good workouts, and/or  a great showing at the NFL Combine, that's your issue. Moreover, you saw the Bolts draft Hunter Henry, with decidedly positive results, early in the second round in this year's draft. Perhaps if you didn't have such tunnel vision, you could see a scenario where a TE is taken in the second round of next year's draft (without anyone moving up or down). It's too early in the draft season (which really hasn't even started) to set any opinion in stone in reference to a player's value, especially one that already is perceived a top player at his position.

Since 2011, there are only two TEs drafting in the 1st round: Eifert #21 and Ebron #10. None of these guys coming out are even close to Eifert and Ebron as draft prospects. 

Only scenarios that I see us taking a TE is in the 3rd round or after.

[FootballLivesMatter]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

not saying use the first on any specific position.  Just that TE is a need and this is a weak OT draft class.

Gettlemen needs to start going legit BPA out of positions of need and STOP draft the BPA in the first out of his PREFERED positions.  He keeps it up and we are going to get even weaker overall.

Dickson has been hanging along bc of his ability to block and he still suck at it. It's been a long while since we used the two TE set (2011 with Olsen and Shockey). But then that was with Chud. 

I don't think Shula is big on that two TE set. Even if he was he wouldn't know how to use it professionally. 

[CRA]

55 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

OT, SS, CB, RB >>>>>>> TE

even add a back up QB before a TE

we literally have 1 TE.  1.  He is good but we are an injury away from literally having nothing.

and 2 legit TEs and running a 2 TE scheme has been proven to allow teams to scheme around offensive issues.  So a TE to compliment Greg can help aid some OL issues which simply will not be fixed in 2017 by draft picks.  Drafting OL isn't an immediate fix.   Dallas has the best OL because they drafted OL for years and years and are now seeing the fruits of it

[gorillamilitia13]

Imo our number one need is block protection, that includes o line, a fb that can block, and a back up blocking TE. We should adress those along with a DE first.

[FootballLivesMatter]

6 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

You need more than one rotation? 

So go with five DTs? If I'm correct, we've been going with four: Star, Kk, Cole and Love. 

[Swaggasaurus]

17 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Cam Robinson name has to be in the conversation. We have passed up on OTs in the last 3 drafts? Cam is our highest paid player and the face of this franchise. At some point Gman will have to protect him. 

Cam Robinson has a lot of question marks but you go and look at his game vs Texas A&M and Garrett. There's a lot to like. Played like a top 10 pick. 

If he play well in the College Playoff and keep his nose clean til the draft, his stock will only rise.

You don't draft a player with question marks at pick 9

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Since 2011, there are only two TEs drafting in the 1st round: Eifert #21 and Ebron #10. None of these guys coming out are even close to Eifert and Ebron as draft prospects. 

Only scenarios that I see us taking a TE is in the 3rd round or after.

It doesn't matter what you see (or me or anyone else on here), they are already getting serious attention as day one or two prospects from people that matter.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/02/nfl-draft-2017-tight-ends-jake-butt-oj-howard

Like my mother-in-law used to say:

What you can't see makes a whole other world.

[FootballLivesMatter]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

we literally have 1 TE.  1.  He is good but we are an injury away from literally having nothing.

and 2 legit TEs and running a 2 TE scheme has been proven to allow teams to scheme around offensive issues.  So a TE to compliment Greg can help aid some OL issues which simply will not be fixed in 2017 by draft picks.  Drafting OL isn't an immediate fix.   Dallas has the best OL because they drafted OL for years and years and are now seeing the fruits of it

They saw immediate impact after drafting Frederick and Martin. 

Leary and Free are above average guys at their positions playing along three other great players. I believe at one time Free was mentioned to be on the trading block or possible cut if I'm correct. 

We have three really good interior guys and we let Remmers fug around with it. Cam won't be able to throw to any open recievers when he doesn't have the time to. 

Dak Prescott and his recievers are less talented than Cam and his guys. However Dak looks like a MVP throwing to open recievers bc he's not constantly running around and eating dirt.

[FootballLivesMatter]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It doesn't matter what you see (or me or anyone else on here), they are already getting serious attention as day one or two prospects from people that matter.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/02/nfl-draft-2017-tight-ends-jake-butt-oj-howard

Like my mother-in-law used to say:

What you can't see makes a whole other world.

Oh I see Howard as a day 1 pick. Butt as a day 2. But they ain't top 18 pick. Nontheless top9-15 where we will be picking. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

6 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

You don't draft a player with question marks at pick 9

I agree man!!!!

 In 2011, Hurney said we weren't drafting a QB with questions marks with the Number 1 Pick. We chose Gabbert over Cam Newton. 

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Dickson has been hanging along bc of his ability to block and he still suck at it. It's been a long while since we used the two TE set (2011 with Olsen and Shockey). But then that was with Chud. 

I don't think Shula is big on that two TE set. Even if he was he wouldn't know how to use it professionally. 

it was already reported that Shula lobbied hard for them to add a legit TE this past offseason to run those sets because of his belief the league would catch up to what they did all last season (which they did).

so yeah, Shula pretty much called the league adjusting to him scheming around the weak OL as he did all of 2015.  He needed bodies to work up a new scheme around the deficiencies and didn't get what he lobbied for.

Coaching staff pretty much called what was going to go down with the status quo....and Dave instead did what Dave did.  Shula is wise enough to know he has to scheme around issues.  He did it in 2015.  He wanted to do it in 2016 again....but you need the right talent to implement work arounds.

[FootballLivesMatter]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was already reported that Shula lobbied hard for them to add a legit TE this past offseason to run those sets because of his belief the league would catch up to what they did all last season (which they did).

so yeah, Shula pretty much called the league adjusting to him scheming around the weak OL as he did all of 2015.  He needed bodies to work up a new scheme around the deficiencies and didn't get what he lobbied for.

Coaching staff pretty much called what was going to go down with the status quo....and Dave instead did what Dave did.  Shula is wise enough to know he has to scheme around issues.  He did it in 2015.  He wanted to do it in 2016 again....but you need the right talent to implement work arounds.

I would like to see another young TE to go with Olsen. In the 2nd, if Butt is there than go for it. I wanted Henry over Butler. I'm not negated the TE position. 

Just that some point and time you have to protect Cam with legitimate options, not scrubs off the street. Cam and Luck have been running the shows with what God gave them only. No other help.

We lost the SB because no one could protect Cam. And then this season to the point of Trai Turner playing RT.  

Marcus Mariota came back in his strong 2nd season bc of Lewan and Conklin.

[panthers55]

I love how some posters can't wrap their head around the concept of improving at multiple positions at the same time. I agree with those posters and Gettleman who says you fill holes in free agency with vets so you can go BPA and develop them. I don't subscribe to the theory you have to start rookies if avoidable. Butler has shown significant improvement as a reserve coming off the bench. He couldn't have started for us this year. For every KB who comes in and shines his rookie year there are many more Butler's who need time to develop.

So draft a top TE in the second or third round and develop him but pick up a true vet TE to play. Draft an LT in the first and pick up a vet like we did with Oher. Matt kalil might be available for starters. Let Ryan work with his brother and develop him. 

I think we need to focus on the offense this season as long as we still upgrade some positions on defense like safety and DE. We will have 60-70 million in cap space.

[panthers55]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

it was already reported that Shula lobbied hard for them to add a legit TE this past offseason to run those sets because of his belief the league would catch up to what they did all last season (which they did).

so yeah, Shula pretty much called the league adjusting to him scheming around the weak OL as he did all of 2015.  He needed bodies to work up a new scheme around the deficiencies and didn't get what he lobbied for.

Coaching staff pretty much called what was going to go down with the status quo....and Dave instead did what Dave did.  Shula is wise enough to know he has to scheme around issues.  He did it in 2015.  He wanted to do it in 2016 again....but you need the right talent to implement work arounds.

Stop making so much sense. We all know Shula sucks and doesn't have a clue. Everything is his fault and if he were gone everything would be so much better. LOL