KB the TE?

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I brought the Prohel thing up the other day.  Everyone claims he is a great coach yet....what can you hang your hat on in that regard?

Ted Ginn Jr was a veteran WR that was brought in and pretty much I is the same flawed vet WR he always has been....we just give him more reps than other teams would

Maybe Prohel actually isn't a great WR coach.  Maybe we just like the savy old WR that played here in 2003.

You have to remember that KB really has played 2 seasons missing all of last year and Funchess is only used in spots so his experience is limited. 

Secondly both of these guys were considered pretty raw coming out of college. 

Thirdly most receivers in college don't.learn route trees and aren't in NFL type offenses so there is a learning curve especially for receivers who need to rely on technique and route running versus speed to get open.

[panthers55]

13 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I do agree Funchess would make more sense. I would just like to see one of them moved there to provide mismatches and more speed on the field.

I would like us to bring in a vet TE and keep the twin towers on the outside. They already should provide mismatches based on size alone. Problem is how often are KB and Funchess on the field at the same time.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You have to remember that KB really has played 2 seasons missing all of last year and Funchess is only used in spots so his experience is limited. 

Secondly both of these guys were considered pretty raw coming out of college. 

Thirdly most receivers in college don't.learn route trees and aren't in NFL type offenses so there is a learning curve especially for receivers who need to rely on technique and route running versus speed to get open.

I understand that.  Not implying they should be All Pros.

But it is pretty consistently said here that Prohel is one best coaches we have.  Not sure how he gets has achieved this coaching credibility.  Maybe he is good.  I think we he was a good vet mentor as a player. 

But maybe he isn't that good of a WR coach yet.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I understand that.  Not implying they should be All Pros.

But it is pretty consistently said here that Prohel is one best coaches we have.  Not sure how he gets has achieved this coaching credibility.  Maybe he is good.  I think we he was a good vet mentor as a player. 

But maybe he isn't that good of a WR coach yet.

He may not be all world. I really don't have the expertise or familiarity to know how he is as a coach. Most times we look at the end product and judge his ability. With such a bad line and at least this year, an inaccurate quarterback, it is hard to be that critical of the receivers with the exceptions of drops. I just don't know if it is fair to blame the coaches for drops or lack of effort. I usually blame the player but that is just me.

[FootballLivesMatter]

LMFAO. 

Funchess is more a damn TE. He played TE at Michigan. 

KB played WR his whole time at FSU.

 

cmon people

[Cookie Lyon]

So. Much. Anger.

LOL!

[Kakarot]

Kelvin has put on 25 lbs since college? Damn. I really hope he puts in some major effort this offseason. He needs to work on his route running and get that weight down or turn it to muscle. Numbers wise, he's produced in his 2 years here but he's made a lot of errors on the field that have really hurt us; especially this year.

As for switching to TE, I wouldn't be mad at it. I'd be for either he or Funchess going TE and picking up a stud WR in the draft. One that's speedy or quick and runs precise routes.

[Mojo]

I think KB would get killed at TE.   

He'd have to change alot more than muscle mass.  Interesting to consider though.

[Cookie Lyon]

2 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Nope this has to be one of the worst idea, lets get a real TE that can block and free Olsen up. 

It's a wonderful idea.

:)

[Riverboat Ron]

At the rate KB is packing on pounds he can play OT in a couple days. 

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I brought the Prohel thing up the other day.  Everyone claims he is a great coach yet....what can you hang your hat on in that regard?

Ted Ginn Jr was a veteran WR that was brought in and pretty much is the same flawed vet WR he always has been....we just give him more reps than other teams would

Maybe Prohel actually isn't a great WR coach.  Maybe we just like the savy old WR that played here in 2003.

I don't know if Proehl is a great WR coach, but let's review what he has to work with.

Benjamin is basically a 2nd year guy who came in with a rep of dropsies.  He'll probably end up averaging 950 yds over his two seasons - not too shabby.

Funchess shows promise, but is only 22 years old.  He had a rep coming in with below average hands, but seems to have improved in this area.  I believe he will be very good. 

Ginn has never done anything elsewhere.  His best seasons are easily under Proehl.

The rest - Byrd, Philly, Garrett, Bersin, etc. are all undrafted free agents that he is trying to mold into something.  I don't know what sort of production is expected from WRs that go undrafted, but I really like what Philly brings.

I think the knock on Proehl, if there is one, is that KB still runs crappy routes.  I know he's been pulled for this at least once if not more.  Some guys are just more difficult to coach.  Problem is we have no alternatives at the moment that will push KB.  Perhaps if we invest in a hungry young speedy receiver with good hands that will push him, we'll be able to see how good Proehl really is.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I don't know if Proehl is a great WR coach, but let's review what he has to work with.

Benjamin is basically a 2nd year guy who came in with a rep of dropsies.  He'll probably end up averaging 950 yds over his two seasons - not too shabby.

Funchess shows promise, but is only 22 years old.  He had a rep coming in with below average hands, but seems to have improved in this area.  I believe he will be very good. 

Ginn has never done anything elsewhere.  His best seasons are easily under Proehl.

The rest - Byrd, Philly, Garrett, Bersin, etc. are all undrafted free agents that he is trying to mold into something.  I don't know what sort of production is expected from WRs that go undrafted, but I really like what Philly brings.

I think the knock on Proehl, if there is one, is that KB still runs crappy routes.  I know he's been pulled for this at least once if not more.  Some guys are just more difficult to coach.  Problem is we have no alternatives at the moment that will push KB.  Perhaps if we invest in a hungry young speedy receiver with good hands that will push him, we'll be able to see how good Proehl really is.

Ginn's best seasons have been in Carolina but that has been because we have afforded him reps for him to be EXACTLY the same dude teams have quickly gotten tired of.  He is a veteran WR who hasn't changed.

so it just goes back to the standard question is IF Prohel is good.....what is one example of him molding a WR or improving them?  Because there isn't one.   I don't but the Ted Ginn sell and the rest have pretty much been dudes being what they were coming out of the draft. I also imagine he has strong input on the overall depth chart.  We hang onto guys like Bersin and teams like New Orleans develop the likes of Willie Snead into strong roleplayers.

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Why try and convert him to a TE when first of all Funchess is a more natural TE with experience and finding a good TE in the draft or free agency isn't hard. 

Secondly blocking is less about technique and more about effort and desire. So trying to convert someone who has suspect effort to a position requiring more effort doing the dirty work hardly seems likely to work.

I think Funchess will eventually replace Olsen in a few years at the receiving TE role.  He's only 6'4" 225.  At age 22, he could easily get to 245 or so without in 2-3 years.  Hopefully by that time we have a little more speed to put on the outside to couple with KB's size on the other.  We just need to keep looking for a good blocking TE (Wallace?, Manhertz? late draft pick?)  I guess they decided Sandland wasn't the guy.

[panthers55]

12 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I think Funchess will eventually replace Olsen in a few years at the receiving TE role.  He's only 6'4" 225.  At age 22, he could easily get to 245 or so without in 2-3 years.  Hopefully by that time we have a little more speed to put on the outside to couple with KB's size on the other.  We just need to keep looking for a good blocking TE (Wallace?, Manhertz? late draft pick?)  I guess they decided Sandland wasn't the guy.

I would like to see us keep trying to pick up another TE to work with Olsen who could groom him as his eventual replacement. Honestly I like Funchess as a receiver. He gives corners matchup troubled and runs a 4.4 forty which is plenty fast for his size.