KB the TE?

[truthjuice]

If Kelvin put forth the effort and learned how to run a decent route, he's unstoppable. He needs to lose a few pounds too. I have faith that he's gonna get himself together this offseason because it's put up or shut up for him right now. 

[LinvilleGorge]

I'm honestly starting to wonder if the Huddle's love affair with Proehl might be a little overblown. Other than Ted Ginn Jr. who has had an excellent career resurgence here, what has he actually done? Where is the development from Funchess? KB looked worse this year than he did his rookie year following a full year to do nothing but rehab and presumably work on the finer points of the game.

Devin Funchess has a catch percentage under 40%. He catches less than 40% of the balls thrown his way. That's horrific. KB's is 52%. That isn't good. Philly's is 50%. Now, before the "Cam sucks" crowd chimes in, keep in mind that Olsen's is 62%. All three of them are in the 6'5" range. Ginn's is 57% and his hit or miss hands are infamous. 

I'm not at all certain that Proehl is this "WR whisperer" that so many Huddlers think or want him to be.

[Ivan The Awesome]

11 minutes ago, csx said:

He has 2 drops this season. Two

You're acting as if that's good enough. Thanks for not even acknowledging the fact that his effort is lacking and he definitely is a lazy route runner though. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

57 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

 

http://wsfl.com/2016/12/27/panthers-eliminated-from-the-playoffsso-whats-next/

 

I like this idea. Thoughts?

Nope this has to be one of the worst idea, lets get a real TE that can block and free Olsen up. 

[therealmjl]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm honestly starting to wonder if the Huddle's love affair with Proehl might be a little overblown. Other than Ted Ginn Jr. who has had an excellent career resurgence here, what has he actually done? Where is the development from Funchess? KB looked worse this year than he did his rookie year following a full year to do nothing but rehab and presumably work on the finer points of the game.

Devin Funchess has a catch percentage under 40%. He catches less than 40% of the balls thrown his way. That's horrific. KB's is 52%. That isn't good. Philly's is 50%. Now, before the "Cam sucks" crowd chimes in, keep in mind that Olsen's is 62%. All three of them are in the 6'5" range. Ginn's is 57% and his hit or miss hands are infamous. 

I'm not at all certain that Proehl is this "WR whisperer" that so many Huddlers think or want him to be.

I agree 100% with this.

i haven't seen anything out of this WR group to indicate Proehl is some coaching guru.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

I think it's a fantastic idea, regardless of blocking and I wanted this to happen from the moment we drafted him. Potentially forcing LBs to cover him is a nightmare. It would be a massive mismatch. I love it. And it would add so much more speed to the field if we could a speedy WR. 

Not to mention, he wasn't a bad blocker as a rookie. He wouldn't be elite, but I think the mismatches could make up for that. Such a lethal option out of play action with a LB covering him.

[csx]

14 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

You're acting as if that's good enough. Thanks for not even acknowledging the fact that his effort is lacking and he definitely is a lazy route runner though. 

If effort is the issue then stick with the issue. Don't invent other things to embellish your argument. These stats are easily available to verify if your perceptions are true. I didn't argue against the effort point I argued against the baseless point. 

[juliosantos]

Stop

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 minutes ago, csx said:

If effort is the issue then stick with the issue. Don't invent other things to embellish your argument. These stats are easily available to verify if your perceptions are true. I didn't argue against the effort point I argued against the baseless point. 

 

 

Fine you want to talk about drops let's take a look at the body of work then not just this year. How many did he have in his rookie campaign? I'll wait. (heres a hint. It's in the double digits)

 

If you're going to actually engage in an argument don't nit pick your subjects and not acknowledge the whole topic. His drops are PART of the problem. 

[csx]

16 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I agree 100% with this.

i haven't seen anything out of this WR group to indicate Proehl is some coaching guru.

I like Proehl. I want him to be great. It's just funny how people chose him to keep on a theoretical new staff when at the same time complaining about lack of receiver development. 

He's had no tangible results.

 

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm honestly starting to wonder if the Huddle's love affair with Proehl might be a little overblown. Other than Ted Ginn Jr. who has had an excellent career resurgence here, what has he actually done? Where is the development from Funchess? KB looked worse this year than he did his rookie year following a full year to do nothing but rehab and presumably work on the finer points of the game.

Devin Funchess has a catch percentage under 40%. He catches less than 40% of the balls thrown his way. That's horrific. KB's is 52%. That isn't good. Philly's is 50%. Now, before the "Cam sucks" crowd chimes in, keep in mind that Olsen's is 62%. All three of them are in the 6'5" range. Ginn's is 57% and his hit or miss hands are infamous. 

I'm not at all certain that Proehl is this "WR whisperer" that so many Huddlers think or want him to be.

I brought the Prohel thing up the other day.  Everyone claims he is a great coach yet....what can you hang your hat on in that regard?

Ted Ginn Jr was a veteran WR that was brought in and pretty much is the same flawed vet WR he always has been....we just give him more reps than other teams would

Maybe Prohel actually isn't a great WR coach.  Maybe we just like the savy old WR that played here in 2003.

[panthers55]

Why try and convert him to a TE when first of all Funchess is a more natural TE with experience and finding a good TE in the draft or free agency isn't hard. 

Secondly blocking is less about technique and more about effort and desire. So trying to convert someone who has suspect effort to a position requiring more effort doing the dirty work hardly seems likely to work.

[Paintballr]

KB his rookie year was a ferocious blocker, lack of effort is all 

Kelvin has never been known as a blocker


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[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Why try and convert him to a TE when first of all Funchess is a more natural TE with experience and finding a good TE in the draft or free agency isn't hard. 

Secondly blocking is less about technique and more about effort and desire. So trying to convert someone who has suspect effort to a position requiring more effort doing the dirty work hardly seems likely to work.

I do agree Funchess would make more sense. I would just like to see one of them moved there to provide mismatches and more speed on the field.