Mike Shula: Cam Newton is not to blame solely

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Sad to say for Shula, but this offense needed to evolve a while ago.

As for you Gettleman bashers, in no where did Shula say the issues were because of a lack of talent. The only thing coming close to such would be because of the injuries that occurred and disarranged the chemistry between the team.

When you're down to your practice sqaud 4th string center as your primary starter, and had pretty much 4/5 players on the O-line out of position, there's an issue with injuries, and Shula alluded to that.

However, this does bring up hope. Rivera started the conversation concerning the offense needing to evolve, and looks like everyone else is picking up on his memo. Shula acknowledged there was an issue with scheme and his own coordinating; certainly a step in the right direction.

Certainly hope Shula does indeed improve. I never put it past anyone to actually improve and learn from their mistakes. Owning up to there being a problem is the first step - learning and fixing it is the next.

I will say that I put blame too easily on Shula from knee-jerk reactions, but I certainly think he's capable of creating beautiful plays. He just needs to be able to adapt on the field and use the best kind of calls for certain situations (i.e no more read-option when it obviously doesn't work; no stupid long plays on 3rd and 1; no read option when 1 yard from the goal line)

 

Funny how last year when we were 15-1 we had a creative innovative offense and Shula was touted as a great OC and even a good head coach candidate. This year at 6-9 we need to get rid of everyone. I wonder if part of the admission of a new scheme is recognition that Gettleman is not going to give them the talent to run the current Coryell system as long as he doesn't improve the O line in a big way by getting 2 NFL caliber tackles.

[Saca312]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Funny how last year when we were 15-1 we had a creative innovative offense and Shula was touted as a great OC and even a good head coach candidate. This year at 6-9 we need to get rid of everyone. I wonder if part of the admission of a new scheme is recognition that Gettleman is not going to give them the talent to run the current Coryell system as long as he doesn't improve the O line in a big way by getting 2 NFL caliber tackles.

Funny how that 15-1 team, which was touted as having a top 5 offensive line last year, now is being blamed for our woes.

Also funny that the 2016 o-line hasn't been fully healthy since week 3.

I'll give you a nice little reminder of what we used to have: Byron Bell and Nate Chandler.

Now, just imagine this (posted this in another thread):

Our offensive line, when healthy, could possibly be one of the nastiest and stout in the league. Aside LT, I think we have answers at every position.

• RT Daryl Williams, whom shut out the league leader in sacks (Vic) in 2 games this season, is playing really well. He was also 2015's best rookie tackle and top 3 rookie by PFF before his injury.
• RG Trai Turner was a probowler, and is showing amazing chemistry with Daryl Williams.
• C Ryan Kalil is an All-Pro. Signal-caller. Even our future, albeit certainly not perfect, in Tyler Larsen is looking good.
• LG Andrew Norwell is the league's most underrated guard - he's a beast. 
• LT with Oher is decent - probably would be our only weakness if there even is one.

I think shoring up LT - if Oher is done - is the only issue, at the very least finding competent depth/future. Otherwise we could seriously have a top 5 line by next season as long as we stay healthy.

 

[panthers55]

52 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Funny how that 15-1 team, which was touted as having a top 5 offensive line last year, now is being blamed for our woes.

Also funny that the 2016 o-line hasn't been fully healthy since week 3.

I'll give you a nice little reminder of what we used to have: Byron Bell and Nate Chandler.

Now, just imagine this (posted this in another thread):

Our offensive line, when healthy, could possibly be one of the nastiest and stout in the league. Aside LT, I think we have answers at every position.

• RT Daryl Williams, whom shut out the league leader in sacks (Vic) in 2 games this season, is playing really well. He was also 2015's best rookie tackle and top 3 rookie by PFF before his injury.
• RG Trai Turner was a probowler, and is showing amazing chemistry with Daryl Williams.
• C Ryan Kalil is an All-Pro. Signal-caller. Even our future, albeit certainly not perfect, in Tyler Larsen is looking good.
• LG Andrew Norwell is the league's most underrated guard - he's a beast. 
• LT with Oher is decent - probably would be our only weakness if there even is one.

I think shoring up LT - if Oher is done - is the only issue, at the very least finding competent depth/future. Otherwise we could seriously have a top 5 line by next season as long as we stay healthy.

 

You need both starters and depth particularly if the injuries keep biting us on the offensive line. So the task is pretty large. First get a left tackle which is the hardest slot to fill plus find backup depth across the board. That is the only way to stay consistent despite the inevitable injuries.

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Well nice to see some are starting to to see Shula is far from the main issue....took
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[cbully]

Well that confirms Shual/RR-DG aren't on the same page. I wonder if this will be the statement that force him out. You know you can't keep it real in carolina or else. I give shula props for speaking it like it is rather than some generic obvious excuse to justify facing the media. 

 

[truthjuice]

57 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

It would just feel like he is trying to fix problems. Now it feels like he's trying to save face know what I mean?

Well in Shula's defense (can't believe I'm saying that), maybe he's been vocal about it to his boss and such. It could be that he's tired of this Cam is to blame for all of the woes when really it's an overall problem that starts with coaching and runs through protection, inconsistent receivers and injury. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would've loved for him to come out earlier but I get why he didn't. Ron should've been saying this months ago, tbh. 

[Saca312]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You need both starters and depth particularly if the injuries keep buying us on the offensive line. So the task is pretty large. First get a left tackle which is the hardest slot to fill plus find backup depth across the board. That is the only way to stay consistent despite the inevitable injuries.

Very fair - and a tough task at that.

Taking a look around the league, seldom teams exist with a "complete" o-line, and backups as a matter of that.

Dallas, Raiders, and the Titans are the few I can think of with a respectable, complete line. The rest of the lines that look good imho are due to scheme and how quick the plays are let off.

And to illustrate how hard it is to find the right pieces for an o-line, take what the Broncos did over the offseason and look at the results:

In the offseason, here's what the Broncos did:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/transactions/_/name/den/denver-broncos

• Signed C Matt Paradis - a risky move involving a center in need of hip surgery BEFORE the season started. Lucky for them it worked out well as far as finding a decent center.
• Signed OT Russell Okung - Thought to be the answer; proved to be anything but. He's not living up to what Denver had envisioned in him.
• Signed OT Donald Stephenson - Chiefs fans mocked the deal, and rightfully so. If you can imagine a RT being worse than Remmers, this is your guy - PFF's worst rated starting RT.

As you can see, they hoped to shore up both tackle positions by grabbing players from free agency, and this did not work at all. 

It's not an easy business finding quality starter tackles, or even backups. Teams around the league are having a rough time.

 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

Very fair - and a tough task at that.

Taking a look around the league, seldom teams exist with a "complete" o-line, and backups as a matter of that.

Dallas, Raiders, and the Titans are the few I can think of with a respectable, complete line. The rest of the lines that look good imho are due to scheme and how quick the plays are let off.

And to illustrate how hard it is to find the right pieces for an o-line, take what the Broncos did over the offseason and look at the results:

In the offseason, here's what the Broncos did:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/transactions/_/name/den/denver-broncos

• Signed C Matt Paradis - a risky move involving a center in need of hip surgery BEFORE the season started. Lucky for them it worked out well as far as finding a decent center.
• Signed OT Russell Okung - Thought to be the answer; proved to be anything but. He's not living up to what Denver had envisioned in him.
• Signed OT Donald Stephenson - Chiefs fans mocked the deal, and rightfully so. If you can imagine a RT being worse than Remmers, this is your guy - PFF's worst rated starting RT.

As you can see, they hoped to shore up both tackle positions by grabbing players from free agency, and this did not work at all. 

It's not an easy business finding quality starter tackles, or even backups. Teams around the league are having a rough time.

 

Exactly which is why at least two of your draft picks each year need to O line realizing that most of them don't work out. Unless you pay the big bucks it is hard to find guys in free agency. Truth is all the woes on the line this year might actually bode well for next year as our hopefully backups like Remmers and Scott got starting experience this year.

[Icege]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Why all the nasty comments especially when it isn't true. Most offensive gurus like Jon Gruden commented on Monday night how creative and complicated our offense was to defend. He noted we use many different looks and can run or pass out of any set. Most knowledgeable folks recognize that inconsistent receivers and a make shift OLine has hurt the offense across the board and limited how creative they could be. If you are teaching subs the basics, you can't work on the complicated points. Last year he completely revamped the running game into the most creative in the league in response to Benjamin going down.  If he can be innovative and creative one season it hardly follows he can't do it the next unless there are reasons for it. Then again, like Newton, Shula won't throw people under the bus even though many fans do that to him.

 Broncos defenders came out after the game and said that the Panthers offense was very simple in that it was just the same plays ran out of different formations with some motions and shifts thrown in.

Matsko was also tasked with helping with the run game last season. It was not Shula.

He literally got his first job as a coach because of his name after being cut from the team.

I'm sure he's a great guy, but he has proven time and time again to not be the best option at OC for Cam nor the Panthers imo

[panthers55]

22 minutes ago, Icege said:

 Broncos defenders came out after the game and said that the Panthers offense was very simple in that it was just the same plays ran out of different formations with some motions and shifts thrown in.

Matsko was also tasked with helping with the run game last season. It was not Shula.

He literally got his first job as a coach because of his name after being cut from the team.

I'm sure he's a great guy, but he has proven time and time again to not be the best option at OC for Cam nor the Panthers imo

I think you are being a bit biased. Denver said we didn't change up our plays from what we ran during the year not that it was simole or easy to attack. Truth is a few plays go our way and no sack fumble TDs and we could have easily won the SB. Matso obviously helps as do all the offensive coaches. Shuls invites input from coaches and players a like. One of his strengths is the ability to learn from others and collaborate.

He like many folks given a famous name often find that is a burden as well a gift. It may have helped him get started but then get used as the reason you did anything making it hard to get credit for your own accomplishments. Last year he was widely touted as one of the best OCs in the league. I guess he got amnesia and forgot everything this year since he now sucks.

[panthers55]

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[panthers55]

1 hour ago, cbully said:

Well that confirms Shual/RR-DG aren't on the same page. I wonder if this will be the statement that force him out. You know you can't keep it real in carolina or else. I give shula props for speaking it like it is rather than some generic obvious excuse to justify facing the media. 

 

It doesn't say they are on different pages. It says that now that the NFL seems to ignore head shots to Cam in the Pocket or out, we are going to have to change the scheme to better protect him. If anything Gettleman is on the wrong page from Shula and Rivera who asked for help in the secondary and the OLine and tight end but they got largely ignored except for rookies and jags.

[panthers55]

Nevermind........

[stankowalski]

Shula's not the problem.  fug anyone that say's so. You talk about working around 1 or 2 weak links, well how about 4 or 5?  Dummies.