Steelers' handling of Ben a map for Panthers & Cam

[top dawg]

Chris Wesseling  of NFL.com brought up interesting points, and perhaps parallels, between Cam Newton and a younger Ben Roethlisberger earlier in his career. Based on Rivera's last presser, Wesseling is suggesting that  change is imminent, and also suggested that perhaps the Panthers should use Big Ben as a model.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000764353/article/big-ben-evolution-model-could-work-for-cam-newton

"The 6-foot-6, 260-pound Newton stands tall in the pocket, shakes off oncoming pass rushers and waits until late in the down to attack downfield. In terms of size and playing style, he has long evoked comparisons to the early-career sandlot version of Ben Roethlisberger.

As Pittsburgh's veteran quarterback entered his thirties, the Steelers' organization understood that he would need to evolve in order to survive.

After watching Roethlisberger lead the NFL in sacks and hits absorbed for nearly a decade, the team's brain trust brought in coordinator Todd Haley to curb the injury risk by emphasizing better pre-snap reads and getting the ball out faster.

The Steelers wanted the face of their franchise to become 'more of a cerebral player and not just a physical wonder,' NFL Network's Michael Silver explained at the time."

 

This is what some have been suggesting for at least the last few months. And if it can work for Ben, why not Cam?

 

"That evolution is complete.

Only Oakland's Derek Carr (16) has been sacked fewer times than Roethlisberger (17) this season. While Haley's offense stresses quicker passes, Roethlisberger hasn't sacrificed deep-ball prowess. His 17 touchdowns of 15 or more air yards are the most in the NFL this season."

 

Everyone should know that Newton also excels at the deep ball, so this is perhaps why a premium should be placed on acquiring (or perhaps simply playing, yes, actively rostering on game days) smart receivers who run good routes and have good speed to boot. I am not saying that we definitely need an overhaul at receiver, because I still believe that we may have some untapped gold in our ranks, but the Steelers have made it their business to not only improve their O-line, but have kept Roethlisberger awash in some receivers with good speed and potential (and they've done it without necessarily neglecting the defense). At least that's my opinion.

And by the way, no, it's not lost on me that they have a great running game, which of course is an argument for a high pick at RB.

 

Gettleman and Rivera have some work to do. Cam has work to do. If everyone buys in to the fact that marked change is warranted, perhaps we can get to where we're consistently in contention like the Steelers (yes, I said it). 

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

although I agree with the sentiment that eventually we do need to evolve as an offense in order for Cam to have sustained success long term, I just don't think we're there quite yet. 

Lets not forget Pittsburgh won their two superbowls early on in Roethlisbergers career (2006 and 2009), and that was when Ben was Ben, a dual threat QB that consistently used his legs to elude defenders and keep defenses honest. Cam will be 28 next year. IMHO, I still think we can squeeze a few more years out of him before we start changing our offensive philosophy. 2017 is the year we have to just go for it. Cam needs to be the Cam of 2015, a dual threat monster with the ability to make game changing plays with both his arm and his legs. 

The window for Cam to be a dominant force is closing. Changing our offensive approach in order to protect Cam more only lessens our chances of winning a superbowl. Sure our QB will avoid concussions and won't be as dinged up, but just like how Ben hasn't won a superbowl in 7 years, Cam may never win one if we make these changes now, when he's only 28. 

[Daeavorn]

Man I can't believe Ben was a dual-threat QB. He's so fat now! 

Also I really agree with this article. The Steelers should be the mold we want to copy. If we can transform Cam into a great passer then we will definitely win a super bowl.

But first we need to fire Shula.

[Doc Holiday]

I would love to do a big fuging told yall so but the topic was deleted because poo got ugly. but 3/4 of the way through Cam's first year I said this exact same thing. 

 

Anyone else here besides me remember the Culpepper hit? thats what I point too every time I talk about how we need to stop calling run plays to Cam. its the dumbest poo ever when you have a franchise QB. 

[Anybodyhome]

For a QB to "get the ball out faster" a group of receivers who are quick and get almost immediate separation is key. One luxury Ben has always enjoyed? Fast wideouts. 

Greg Olsen is a great TE and is already HOF bound, but c'mon; when he's running the deep seam route, you may as well put an egg timer on him- nothing is happening fast.

KB and separation? No. But as soon as someone teaches him how to play like a low-post power forward and start blocking out....

Ted Ginn? Who knows where he'll be next year. 

[beastson]

1 hour ago, Anybodyhome said:

For a QB to "get the ball out faster" a group of receivers who are quick and get almost immediate separation is key. One luxury Ben has always enjoyed? Fast wideouts. 

Greg Olsen is a great TE and is already HOF bound, but c'mon; when he's running the deep seam route, you may as well put an egg timer on him- nothing is happening fast.

KB and separation? No. But as soon as someone teaches him how to play like a low-post power forward and start blocking out....

Ted Ginn? Who knows where he'll be next year. 

LMAO

[Icege]

1 hour ago, Anybodyhome said:

For a QB to "get the ball out faster" a group of receivers who are quick and get almost immediate separation is key. One luxury Ben has always enjoyed? Fast wideouts. 

Greg Olsen is a great TE and is already HOF bound, but c'mon; when he's running the deep seam route, you may as well put an egg timer on him- nothing is happening fast.

KB and separation? No. But as soon as someone teaches him how to play like a low-post power forward and start blocking out....

Ted Ginn? Who knows where he'll be next year. 

Go home. You're drunk.

[Salisburysean98]

1 hour ago, Anybodyhome said:

For a QB to "get the ball out faster" a group of receivers who are quick and get almost immediate separation is key. One luxury Ben has always enjoyed? Fast wideouts. 

Greg Olsen is a great TE and is already HOF bound, but c'mon; when he's running the deep seam route, you may as well put an egg timer on him- nothing is happening fast.

KB and separation? No. But as soon as someone teaches him how to play like a low-post power forward and start blocking out....

Ted Ginn? Who knows where he'll be next year. 

Dude, Olsen is one of the fastest tight ends in the NFL. The only person who is faster is probably Jordan Reed

[top dawg]

19 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Dude, Olsen is one of the fastest tight ends in the NFL. The only person who is faster is probably Jordan Reed

You're correct about Olsen, who may have lost a step with age, but Jordan Reed is not faster. Guess who is though. Ladarius Green of the Steelers. 

Jared Cook is faster as well. Vernon Davis may still be the fastest however.

[joemac]

Did I miss where Ben was ever a threat to run? Seems to me he's the same as he's always been....He's just fantastic moving within the pocket, rolling out and throwing on the run. 

Cam has like 50 career TDs on the ground, and thousands of yards...

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

Chris Wesseling  of NFL.com brought up interesting points, and perhaps parallels, between Cam Newton and a younger Ben Roethlisberger earlier in his career. Based on Rivera's last presser, Wesseling is suggesting that  change is imminent, and also suggested that perhaps the Panthers should use Big Ben as a model.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000764353/article/big-ben-evolution-model-could-work-for-cam-newton

"The 6-foot-6, 260-pound Newton stands tall in the pocket, shakes off oncoming pass rushers and waits until late in the down to attack downfield. In terms of size and playing style, he has long evoked comparisons to the early-career sandlot version of Ben Roethlisberger.

As Pittsburgh's veteran quarterback entered his thirties, the Steelers' organization understood that he would need to evolve in order to survive.

After watching Roethlisberger lead the NFL in sacks and hits absorbed for nearly a decade, the team's brain trust brought in coordinator Todd Haley to curb the injury risk by emphasizing better pre-snap reads and getting the ball out faster.

The Steelers wanted the face of their franchise to become 'more of a cerebral player and not just a physical wonder,' NFL Network's Michael Silver explained at the time."

 

This is what some have been suggesting for at least the last few months. And if it can work for Ben, why not Cam?

 

"That evolution is complete.

Only Oakland's Derek Carr (16) has been sacked fewer times than Roethlisberger (17) this season. While Haley's offense stresses quicker passes, Roethlisberger hasn't sacrificed deep-ball prowess. His 17 touchdowns of 15 or more air yards are the most in the NFL this season."

 

Everyone should know that Newton also excels at the deep ball, so this is perhaps why a premium should be placed on acquiring (or perhaps simply playing, yes, actively rostering on game days) smart receivers who run good routes and have good speed to boot. I am not saying that we definitely need an overhaul at receiver, because I still believe that we may have some untapped gold in our ranks, but the Steelers have made it their business to not only improve their O-line, but have kept Roethlisberger awash in some receivers with good speed and potential (and they've done it without necessarily neglecting the defense). At least that's my opinion.

And by the way, no, it's not lost on me that they have a great running game, which of course is an argument for a high pick at RB.

 

Gettleman and Rivera have some work to do. Cam has work to do. If everyone buys in to the fact that marked change is warranted, perhaps we can get to where we're consistently in contention like the Steelers (yes, I said it). 

 

This would require either Mike Shula evolving or Ron Rivera firing Mike Shula and bringing in an "evolved" OC.

Neither of which I think will happen since, in a separate post on this site, Ron Rivera made it clear that his idea of "evolving" isn't getting Cam Newton better coaching or better play calling... Ron Rivera's idea of "evolving" is running the ball more.

Ergo, whether Shula stays or goes, don't expect to see anything different.  Why?  Because a boring, ineffective running offense is exactly Ron's cup of tea.

[General_Purr]

Ben has options on almost every pass play, or they practice when pressure comes and Ben still moves out and the WRs always continue to fight to get open.. with our passes once the route is run they stop and Cam sees no one open and takes a sack.

 

This seems like gameplanning and coaching for situations. We coach only for our first strings... we call it a disaster when people get hurt. You have to know people will get hurt and have depth..

 

Its like other major sports.. NBA teams can win in the long run from their bench.. MLB can win from deep bull pen and players off the bench. We replace one guy on the line and it breaks down.

[TheSpecialJuan]

nah

[FootballLivesMatter]

Two different QBs