Official Draft Order w one week to go

[beastson]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I sure hope we beat Tampa. Screw the whole let's tank to get a better pick. Look at most of the teams picking in the top 10 and ask yourself, aren't these the same teams year after year? If draft pick order is so important than why are these folks constantly picking in the top 10. Everyone says with all the high picks Jacksonville gets they are very talented and are much improved. Where are they picking again????

In 2004 we finished strong and missed the playoffs. Everyone from that team said the strong finish carried over into the next year or 2005 where we went to the Championship game.

Yeah but winning one game doesn't mean we finished strong. Winning the last 4 is finishing strong like 2012 and 2014. Offseason moves is what will help us get to the Championship game next season. You guys can't have it both ways, complain about Gettleman and talent, but then don't want a high pick

[Nails]

11 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I sure hope we beat Tampa. Screw the whole let's tank to get a better pick. Look at most of the teams picking in the top 10 and ask yourself, aren't these the same teams year after year? If draft pick order is so important than why are these folks constantly picking in the top 10. Everyone says with all the high picks Jacksonville gets they are very talented and are much improved. Where are they picking again????

In 2004 we finished strong and missed the playoffs. Everyone from that team said the strong finish carried over into the next year or 2005 where we went to the Championship game.

Those teams suck because they have major question marks at the QB position long term.

The 2005 team started off 1-2.  This Sunday's game has zero to do with 2017.

For a team this talented with a 27 year old former MVP at QB to have a chance at a top 10 pick is almost unspeakable, and an opportunity that shouldn't be wasted.

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, beastson said:

Yeah but winning one game doesn't mean we finished strong. Winning the last 4 is finishing strong like 2012 and 2014. Offseason moves is what will help us get to the Championship game next season. You guys can't have it both ways, complain about Gettleman and talent, but then don't want a high pick

First of all if Draft order were all that important teams like New England would have peaks and valleys as their draft picks improved or decreased and that hasnt happened while perennislly bad teams get high picks but often stay bad. You.put too much emphasis on player acquisition and not enough on chemistry and confidence. That is the same mistake Gettleman has made in the past. If you have veterans as the right positions then draft picks are used for depth as they learn the system and progress. 

Secondly have many times do you see threads where people complain because we got so and so at 10 and this guy or that was still on the board. Outside of the top 5 there is often little difference between 10 and 15 so acting as if that makes a big difference I just agree with at all. Sure you can find examples of exception but I can point to Star who was still available at 15 who was the highest rated tackle on many boards before the false medical report came out.

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, Nails said:

Those teams suck because they have major question marks at the QB position long term.

The 2005 team started off 1-2.  This Sunday's game has zero to do with 2017.

For a team this talented with a 27 year old former MVP at QB to have a chance at a top 10 pick is almost unspeakable, and an opportunity that shouldn't be wasted.

Brady says you are making way too much of a draft pick and undervaluing free agency or team chemistry.

If picks mean everything than why do these crap teams not have good quarterbacks. They get their pick of guys every year. Maybe talent evaluation and development mean 10 times what having a top 10 pick actually means.  Number 9 or number 15 really don't.matter much most years. But winning 3 of your last four games actually does it my book and you finish the season with a good taste in your mouth.  Anyone who has coached or played know what I mean.

[beastson]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

First of all if Draft order were all that important teams like New England would have peaks and valleys as their draft picks improved or decreased and that hasnt happened while perennislly bad teams get high picks but often stay bad. You.put too much emphasis on player acquisition and not enough on chemistry and confidence. That is the same mistake Gettleman has made in the past. If you have veterans as the right positions then draft picks are used for depth as they learn the system and progress. 

Secondly have many times do you see threads where people complain because we got so and so at 10 and this guy or that was still on the board. Outside of the top 5 there is often little difference between 10 and 15 so acting as if that makes a big difference I just agree with at all. Sure you can find examples of exception but I can point to Star who was still available at 15 who was the highest rated tackle on many boards before the false medical report came out.

Gettleman and The Panthers mistake was getting rid of talent because they had a personality. But when you're that good, you're going to have personality. The locker room will build itself. Winning one game isn't going to fix this team chemistry and confidence next season. Off-Season moves including the draft will. And any team would definitely prefer picking top 10 over top 15

[Nails]

22 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

First of all if Draft order were all that important teams like New England would have peaks and valleys as their draft picks improved or decreased and that hasnt happened while perennislly bad teams get high picks but often stay bad. You.put too much emphasis on player acquisition and not enough on chemistry and confidence. That is the same mistake Gettleman has made in the past. If you have veterans as the right positions then draft picks are used for depth as they learn the system and progress. 

Secondly have many times do you see threads where people complain because we got so and so at 10 and this guy or that was still on the board. Outside of the top 5 there is often little difference between 10 and 15 so acting as if that makes a big difference I just agree with at all. Sure you can find examples of exception but I can point to Star who was still available at 15 who was the highest rated tackle on many boards before the false medical report came out.

December 30, 2007.  The Panthers beat the Buccaneers in Tampa.  Yay team.  That following April, the Denver Broncos took stalwart OT Ryan Clady ONE pick before the Panthers were on the clock, which lead to the disaster trade for Otah, which lead to the disaster trade for Brown, which lead to Jimmy Clausen, which lead to starting the decade as the worst franchise in the league, so bad that (thankfully) Andrew Luck stayed in school. Only the godsend and freakdom that is Cameron Jerrell Newton gave this franchise hope again and saved it from the absolute abyss.  

[Saca312]

You do realize that winning the last game of the season will really boost the morale of this team?

Knowing what you could do in the future, and knowing you have potential will do wonders for the mental state of the team. I personally think a win for us on Sunday would do much better than any top 10 pick.

From what I'm seeing, even if we win on Sunday, players I think are immediate impact players (Leonard Fournette, Jamaal Adams) will be available when we pick, and those are the guys I'm looking at that'll help the team the most.

[Yaboychris28]

We need to lose. Anyone who disagrees is a damn fool

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, beastson said:

Gettleman and The Panthers mistake was getting rid of talent because they had a personality. But when you're that good, you're going to have personality. The locker room will build itself. Winning one game isn't going to fix this team chemistry and confidence next season. Off-Season moves including the draft will. And any team would definitely prefer picking top 10 over top 15

I really don't think Norman's personality was why we didn't keep him or we wouldn't have franchised him to begin with. Everything I read said he was a locker room leader and popular with players. Look at how aggressive he talks and plays. That was sorely missed this year. This defense had no swagger at all outside of TD and Luke. We could have used a couple more tough guys this year like Harper. He might be slow but he could still clean your clock.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Yaboychris28 said:

We need to win. Anyone who disagrees is just a loser.

FIFY

[panthers55]

5 hours ago, Nails said:

December 30, 2007.  The Panthers beat the Buccaneers in Tampa.  Yay team.  That following April, the Denver Broncos took stalwart OT Ryan Clady ONE pick before the Panthers were on the clock, which lead to the disaster trade for Otah, which lead to the disaster trade for Brown, which lead to Jimmy Clausen, which lead to starting the decade as the worst franchise in the league, so bad that (thankfully) Andrew Luck stayed in school. Only the godsend and freakdom that is Cameron Jerrell Newton gave this franchise hope again and saved it from the absolute abyss.  

This has got to be one of the most convoluted off the wall posts all year. It hurt my eyes just to read it let alone try to make sense of it. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

6 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

Seems a little odd that people are depending on where the draft pick is while others are blasting Gettelman because he doesn't draft worth a crap and so what- I bet he goes Safety in round 1.

yee

[Nails]

11 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This has got to be one of the most convoluted off the wall posts all year. It hurt my eyes just to read it let alone try to make sense of it. 

Players and coaches are going to play to win with rare exception.  Doesn't mean it's best for the franchise.  

I remember in 2010 losing to Cleveland and those FOOLS thought they'd won the Super Bowl.  Morons had no clue they were only distancing themselves from Cam while pushing us closer.  Buffalo was equally as inept in 2010 and I recall rooting hard for them to ensure we'd get the 1st pick, and they obliged by winning enough to remain in purgatory to this day.

There are too many other examples to mention.  This truly may be our last top 10 pick in MANY years and every spot counts.   

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Nails said:

Players and coaches are going to play to win with rare exception.  Doesn't mean it's best for the franchise.  

I remember in 2010 losing to Cleveland and those FOOLS thought they'd won the Super Bowl.  Morons had no clue they were only distancing themselves from Cam while pushing us closer.  Buffalo was equally as inept in 2010 and I recall rooting hard for them to ensure we'd get the 1st pick, and they obliged by winning enough to remain in purgatory to this day.

There are too many other examples to mention.  This truly may be our last top 10 pick in MANY years and every spot counts.   

No one argues that getting a top 10 is often a good thing. Especially a number 1 pick. But Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady and numerous others too many to me tuon suggest you can get your franchise quarterback outside of the top 10.

So, no, each spot doesn't matter as much as wins do. I would rather be 12-4 in the regular season and pick last every year. High draft picks are the consolation for a crappy season not the desired outcome.