For those interested, we are in the 11th spot now

[Matthias]

1 hour ago, Catufb85 said:

And its going to continue to lower as I am not one for playing for draft picks.  Losing for draft picks is a loser's mentality and a losing franchise does that.  We have changed the culture of our organization.  We are out for blood and we are out to win games one to destroy playoff dreams for others and also to carry momentum into next season.  Players are playing for their jobs, future contracts, pride, and also we are playing 2 division rivals to finish the season.

Play to win the game!

What is really a loser's mentality is for this team to wait until we are out of the playoffs, then want to show up for work and win games.  Had they shown up all season long, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  You want to talk about guys playing for their jobs, these guys NEED to be gone next year.  Shoot, its because of these "wins" that might allow Gettleshorts to think we don't need to improve the team in free agency, and once again go after garbage bin players.  This team drives me up the wall to no end.  We can't win in the beginning of the year, and we can't lose at the end.  An utter disappointment this is, and don't get me started on the failure that is Kelvin Benjamin this year.

[Boxhead85]

Still don't understand how the Redskins have to tie one of the remaining two games though if we win out. 8-8=.500; 7-8-1=.469.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Because the math for us to make the playoffs is almost mathematically impossible...

Yeh, we actually need the Skins to lose one of their remaining games and TIE one... 

[Saca312]

1 hour ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Kinda hope we do.  I want another stud on this team, and I damn sure don't trust Gettlemen to find him unless he's in the Top 10.  

I'd rather lose to the bucs than see some cocky failcon fans with their heads in their bottoms

[nctarheel0619]

Just now, Saca312 said:

I'd rather lose to the bucs than see some cocky failcon fans with their heads in their bottoms

Whatever works for me.  Win one, lose one.  

[Saca312]

7 minutes ago, Boxhead85 said:

Still don't understand how the Redskins have to tie one of the remaining two games though if we win out. 8-8=.500; 7-8-1=.469.

They tie, they get a 7-8-2 record, or basically an 8-8. Vikings, Redskins, and Panthers tie. Head 2 Head isn't considered since Redskins never played the Vikings. So Panthers would have the better conference record at 7-5 and get in.

[Matthias]

I definitely believe our draft pick needs to be as close to the top ten as possible.  Gettleman has proven to be more loose with his thinking when we have late round picks.  He's wasted a pick with Shaq Thompson, and I'm starting to think KB is a wasted pick.  He's also tempted to trade up and waste picks if we are too far back. (Ex: Devin Funchess, Daryl Worley)  So if we are 11th now, I sincerely hope we don't lose more ground.

[Catufb85]

30 minutes ago, Matthias said:

What is really a loser's mentality is for this team to wait until we are out of the playoffs, then want to show up for work and win games.  Had they shown up all season long, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  You want to talk about guys playing for their jobs, these guys NEED to be gone next year.  Shoot, its because of these "wins" that might allow Gettleshorts to think we don't need to improve the team in free agency, and once again go after garbage bin players.  This team drives me up the wall to no end.  We can't win in the beginning of the year, and we can't lose at the end.  An utter disappointment this is, and don't get me started on the failure that is Kelvin Benjamin this year.

I completely understand the frustration and agree with you on the driving up the wall comment. We can sit here and say "IF" all day.  If we would have made those kicks we wouldn't be 6-8 but 9-4, and if we didn't have 10 guys in concussion protocol or if Luke didn't miss the last 4 games.   All of those loses have been more credited to poor coaching and poor execution on a play or two that unfortunately has been the case for the season.  Just 1 missed play here or there. That's football.  in 2015 we were 6-1 with games decided by 7 points or less, This year we are 2-4.  Those 4 games we were leading in 4th with opportunity to put games way.  I lean more towards the conservative playcalling than the players just weren't "playing hard."

With injuries, bad luck, coaching, playcalling, etc. whatever you want to call it.  We are where we are and only thing to do is keep playing hard and win ball games. 

[grimesgoat]

23 minutes ago, Matthias said:

What is really a loser's mentality is for this team to wait until we are out of the playoffs, then want to show up for work and win games.  Had they shown up all season long, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  You want to talk about guys playing for their jobs, these guys NEED to be gone next year.  Shoot, its because of these "wins" that might allow Gettleshorts to think we don't need to improve the team in free agency, and once again go after garbage bin players.  This team drives me up the wall to no end.  We can't win in the beginning of the year, and we can't lose at the end.  An utter disappointment this is, and don't get me started on the failure that is Kelvin Benjamin this year.

I disagree a little - while these games are probably meaningless toward us making the playoffs, I'd much rather root for a team that shows some pride rather than one that quits.  Guys were playing hard last night.  Redskins had something like 20 yards rushing while we had 150ish.  That's how you can tell who is playing hard.

We don't need to pick in the top ten to get a top ten talent.  In 2014, Donald, Fuller, Shazier and Z Martin went 13-16.  There are good football players and potential starters throughout the first 3 rounds.  We just need to nail them, then hope they don't get injured.

Also, does everyone consider re-signing/extending Short, Star, Norwell, Turner, Addison, etc. to be "free-agency activity"?  Keeping these guys will not be cheap.  There may not be much left for a lot of splash signings if we want these guys on our team too.

[Nails]

18 minutes ago, Matthias said:

I definitely believe our draft pick needs to be as close to the top ten as possible.  Gettleman has proven to be more loose with his thinking when we have late round picks.  He's wasted a pick with Shaq Thompson, and I'm starting to think KB is a wasted pick.  He's also tempted to trade up and waste picks if we are too far back. (Ex: Devin Funchess, Daryl Worley)  So if we are 11th now, I sincerely hope we don't lose more ground.

Here is a Panther fan rooting guide in weeks 16 and 17 to win the last two and STILL pick 11.  Not all of these games are relevant of course.  But the key games include Buffalo and Indy winning out, the Vikings, Redskins, and Packers all going 1-1 exactly as shown and believe it or not the Cowboys winning out to ensure the Bucs have a stronger SOS.

 

 

[gmonjimbo]

There was not a OL worthy of top 10 pick anyway. Regardless the Panthers will have 4 picks in the first 125 or so and its better for the players psyche in the long haul not to accept losing and cave in 

[Snake]

Hey no playoffs but no good draft picks either. Awesome, totally awesome Panthers. Way to find another way to lose. 

[PantherPhann89]

23 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Yeh, we actually need the Skins to lose one of their remaining games and TIE one... 

Well for 1 we'd have to win out. 2 Bucs and GB has to lose their last two. Vikings has to beat GB and lose to Chicago. Saints has to beats Bucs and lose to Atlanta and what you said but the odds are still better than hitting the lottery. 

[nctarheel0619]

10 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

But Star was like 14th overall .. Short was a second rounder, Philly Brown and Norwell were both UDFA .. Benwikere before he got hurt was a good pick and found in the 5th .. stfu, you don't trust him outside of the top 10 give me a break you idiot

Oh, this game?  We can play that.  Kony Ealy was a 2nd round pick.  Kelvin Benjamin is meh first round pick.  Shaq Thompson was picked over Landon Collins.  Devin Funchess was a 2nd round pick he traded for.  Good try though, you fuging clown.