What’s Wrong with Cam Newton?

[nctarheel0619]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

King didn't write the article. Andy Benoit did. And his concluding paragraph doesn't really say what you think it does.

There's plenty of criticism of Newton himself in the article, and more talk about scheme failure than about talent.

Here's the summary...

 

 

Scot, do you honestly think these "fundamentals" are fixable at this point?  Is it on the coaches or Cam?  Because Cams work ethic is damn good.  That's why I'm asking.  I just can't pinpoint why his mechanics are still trash after all this time.  

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

King didn't write the article. Andy Benoit did. And his concluding paragraph doesn't really say what you think it does.

There's plenty of criticism of Newton himself in the article, and more talk about scheme failure than about talent.

Here's the summary...

 

 

The article hits on all the key issues of what is wrong.  Ones many refuse to acknowledge.

and yeah, Cam has faults.  He isn't why we struggle big picture though.  Cam's faults are more why you lose a game here or there ....not why your season sucks 

The scheme failure is largely because we don't have the talent to do some pretty basic stuff needed. 

I know you don't want this to be about talent....but the article does a good job talking about how Shula schemed around a bad OL last year and why he can't this year.  It is what it is.  Not enough lipstick for the pig. 

[Captain Obvious]

it's in the stars,

 

[bigdog10]

1 minute ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Scot, do you honestly think these "fundamentals" are fixable at this point?  Is it on the coaches or Cam?  Because Cams work ethic is damn good.  That's why I'm asking.  I just can't pinpoint why his mechanics are still trash after all this time.  

You didn't direct this to me, but I'll give an opinion. 

I think there are certain coaches out there who can get more out of Cam and put him in better positions to succeed with play calling alone. With that said, we would need an entire mentality change from the top of the organization down to see that happen. 

so assuming that we are always going to be a run first, defensive minded football team (which is the blueprint Richardson believes in and has hired based off of for 20+ years) it comes down to Cam refining his mechanics himself, which is something I don't believe he can do. Not that he can't do it physically, I honestly don't think he believes he has a problem with his mechanics. Some of the things he has said and some of the mistakes he is still making should not be taking place in year six. 

Cam has been pretty dang successful doing things his way, and I don't see him correcting them anytime soon. 

So all hope is lost then????  No, we simply need to build a better offensive line to cover up Cams deficiencies with accuracy by allowing him more time to see the field and make a throw. We also need to add a number one receiver with speed. 

We all fooled ourselves a couple years ago thinking Cam needs big receivers to catch the high balls. That mindset is flawed considering Cam is not very good at throwing a fade or a back shoulder throw. What Cam needs is receivers who can separate with speed and precise route running. It's why Ginn has had so much success and why guys like Philly Brown and Bersin are still in the league. Its also why Greg Olsen is so good. His route running is as good as it gets at the TE position. It's a shame we didn't get cooks or Landry in the draft a few years back (yeah hindsight is 20-20 and Cooks went before our new pick) because those types of guys would thrive with Cam. 

[The_Rainmaker]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

The reigning MVP is having a career-worst season in 2016. How his problems can be traced back to Super Bowl 50, combined with a new approach in Carolina

Thirteen games into the 2015 season, the Panthers were 13-0 and Cam Newton was completing almost 60 percent of his passes during what was an unexpected MVP campaign. Thirteen games into the 2016 season, the Panthers are 5-8 and Newton is completing an NFL-worst 53.5 percent of his passes (including less than 50 percent in each of his last four games) and is unlikely to be one of the first 10 quarterbacks summoned for the Pro Bowl.

So what happened?

It dates back to Super Bowl 50. The Broncos noticed something on film that week: Newton really wasn’t a scrambler. Almost all of his runs were by design, not improv. Which meant teams had been defending Carolina’s offense all wrong. Afraid that if they blitzed and it didn’t get home, Newton would burn them with his legs, defensive coordinators opted to keep bodies back in coverage. Wade Phillips went the other way. When the Panthers left a running back or tight end in to block—which happens regularly in coordinator Mike Shula’s downfield scheme—the Broncos sent that player’s man-to-man defender after Newton, on what’s called a green dog blitz.

Fat lazy GM decided not to do his job.

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Scot, do you honestly think these "fundamentals" are fixable at this point?  Is it on the coaches or Cam?  Because Cams work ethic is damn good.  That's why I'm asking.  I just can't pinpoint why his mechanics are still trash after all this time.  

Brett Favre had some pretty crappy mechanics. 

I mean some guys are what they are.  No point trying to make them Peyton after a point 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 minute ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Fat lazy GM decided not to do his job.

dumb

[The_Rainmaker]

Just now, TheSpecialJuan said:

dumb

Record says other wise, lets live in the real world huddlers :)

[beastson]

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 When the Panthers left a running back or tight end in to block—which happens regularly in coordinator Mike Shula’s downfield scheme

Another problem and yet another reason why I want to change our OC and offensive scheme

I want my TE main role to be running routes and catching the ball,  not blocking

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Scot, do you honestly think these "fundamentals" are fixable at this point?  Is it on the coaches or Cam?  Because Cams work ethic is damn good.  That's why I'm asking.  I just can't pinpoint why his mechanics are still trash after all this time.  

Fundamentals fixable in year six? Doubt it.

The prime time to get a young quarterback solid on his fundamentals is in his first few years. After that, you pretty much have what you have.

Favre's fundamentals never really got to where they ought to have been, but the Packers understood and built and coached around him accordingly. We didn't really start doing that till year three, and even though the first year and a half there was still a lot to be desired.

Coaching failed him a lot, but even good coaching can get lost when you're under seige.  And all through what should have been his best time to learn, Newton was getting all his bad habits reinforced thanks to poor protection. We had a year and a half of good protection but now that's out the window too.

So can you fix it? Probably not.

Can you work around it. History says yes.

Will we?

Good question.

[The_Rainmaker]

1 minute ago, beastson said:

Another problem and yet another reason why I want to change our OC and offensive scheme

I want my TE main role to be running routes and catching the ball,  not blocking

haha panthers are a run first team,  what you want is a compelte TE that can do both and keep the defense guessing :)

[csx]

2 minutes ago, beastson said:

Another problem and yet another reason why I want to change our OC and offensive scheme

I want my TE main role to be running routes and catching the ball,  not blocking

He is doing so at a historic level.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

brb cant scheme around it.

brb cam cant throw short quick routes.

 

[PrimeTimeHeel]

brb full potatoe