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This offseason: Groupon Gettleman, or does he go all in for big splash FAs?

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CPantherKing Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Five of the guys you named were starters on a Superb Owl team. Ours, specifically. I believe that was money well spent, as was the Jared Allen pick up last year. Peanut Tillman anyone?

Dave's ability to pick up quality players for reasonable salaries is pretty well respected around the league. He's one of the best.

And this season, Paul Soliai has been a good choice and Andy Lee sure looked good before he hurt himself.

I think I can rest my case on those. What have you got?

 

The issue is Soliai and Lee are over paid. Hard to argue they came at a reasonable price when you consider the alternatives.

Now, Tillman and Allen were reasonable, but that tends to be a rarity for Gettleman given his track record.

Thank you for proving my point.

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24 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

The issue is Soliai and Lee are over paid. Hard to argue they came at a reasonable price when you consider the alternatives.

Now, Tillman and Allen were reasonable, but that tends to be a rarity for Gettleman given his track record.

Thank you for proving my point.

Soliai isn't overpaid at 3M, considering he provides experience and quality depth plus information on Alanta's defensive tendencies. Lee was making a similar fair market contract and let's face it, he was punting at a phenomenally good "man, look how lucky we got" level before his injury.

What you call overpaid is actually just market value.

But you'd prefer us to snag down a star and put three to four times their salary into the bucket of a single player, one who couldn't command the same money from his old team, one that knew his capabilities and still didn't choose to keep him.

Sure, each year there are players who do perform up to their expectations, and a few more that do in their second year with the new team. But there are just as many who don't.

I'd rather risk a little than risk a lot, call me a pessimist but a bad big contract for a FA can hamstring a team for years. I'd rather see the money used for retaining quality players already in the system.

 

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47 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Soliai isn't overpaid at 3M

Well if this is what you believe, then we are all aware of the quality team you want to see the Panthers have.

You can enjoy your 50 Paul Soliai type players on the roster at the expense of Cam Newton, Luke Kuechy, Thomas Davis, Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, KK Short, and Star Lotulelei.

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1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Well if this is what you believe, then we are all aware of the quality team you want to see the Panthers have.

You can enjoy your 50 Paul Soliai type players on the roster at the expense of Cam Newton, Luke Kuechy, Thomas Davis, Ryan Kalil, Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, KK Short, and Star Lotulelei.

Talk about throwing things completely off kilter. Nowhere have I said that we should keep people like Soliai and jettison OUR star players. You either have the reading comprehension of a baboon or are one of the most asinine people to ever gum up a keyboard. Really? Do you even read, bro?

Players like Soliai, rather than blowing the bank on a Suh or a Haynesworth, is what allows a team to keep folks like Cam, Luke, Kalil, Olsen and others. And getting players like Soliai extends the careers of players like Star and Short. Think man, think!

 

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4 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Talk about throwing things completely off kilter. Nowhere have I said that we should keep people like Soliai and jettison OUR star players. You either have the reading comprehension of a baboon or are one of the most asinine people to ever gum up a keyboard. Really? Do you even read, bro?

Players like Soliai, rather than blowing the bank on a Suh or a Haynesworth, is what allows a team to keep folks like Cam, Luke, Kalil, Olsen and others. And getting players like Soliai extends the careers of players like Star and Short. Think man, think!

 

Don't mind him, he's just the local idiot.

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On 12/19/2016 at 1:42 PM, CPantherKing said:

Like Paul Soliai for 3M, Ted Ginn for 3M, Mike Remmers for 3M, Michael Oher for 6M, Andy Lee for 3M, Graham Gano for 4M or Kurt Coleman for 6M?

That kind of player at a reasonable price?

The Panthers could exchange all of them right now for 7 players that would total less than 4M and be as productive if not better while saving 24M.

I would exchange all of them for 1 legend whale at 28M or 2 whales for 14M each. Even 3 baby whales at 9M easy would be better than that bargain crew. Might even be able to get 4 players over 30 for a couple seasons like Julius Peppers or Jared Allen for 7M each.

I sure do not want 7 players like Remmers and Soliai at 4M a pop on this team for the next 3 seasons.

Okay...so what do we do when we need to fill other positions on the roster? We just spent 28M on a guy, but he can't play every position.  Wait, maybe he can?  This isn't Madden man.  We're not saying G-Man has made the correct decision with every FA pick-up, but there's a market for a reason.  If we low ball all of these guys, they'll just go to another team to get their measly 3M.  At that point, we're really screwed.  Although it sounds like you'd be okay with having a few people with 28M contracts and the rest for around vet min or a million.  It's just not feasible.  Plus, every GM does the same thing with the exception of a select few.  Unfortunately, you only hear about the loud GMs who like to make a splash but then nothing comes of it except for cap hell. 

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2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Me too, but I'd rather have an actually talented safety instead

He's as good as Boston, and would have provided veteran leadership. Plus he reminds me of Grady from Sanford and son.

I hope to hell we pick up a really good SS before next season.

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