Pundits "Stabbed in the back"

[tiger7_88]

4 minutes ago, rico6 said:

The Panthers just lost the most important game of their life what 2 maybe 3 weeks prior? Then Gettles throws the Franchise tender on the table and expects him to sign it without exploring his options or getting his mind off sports for a little bit?

Without exploring his options?

Wait a minute... I thought y'all keep telling us that Norman was eager and begging to sign the franchise tag that the cruel and ruthless Dave Gettleman taunted him with and wouldn't allow him to sign?

Was he looking around?  Or was Yet Another Loyal Panther's Soldier Who Got Screwed By Gettledouche?

[rico6]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Without exploring his options?

Wait a minute... I thought y'all keep telling us that Norman was eager and begging to sign the franchise tag that the cruel and ruthless Dave Gettleman taunted him with and wouldn't allow him to sign?

Was he looking around?  Or was Yet Another Loyal Panther's Soldier Who Got Screwed By Gettledouche?

Yes, exploring his options. when you have a guy who says "I don't fear agents" and generally has shown to be a POOR negotiator I'm not going to jump at the bit to sign for a contract lower than my worth or sign a Franchise Tag in the middle of freaking April.

Gettleman called Norman's bluff, when in reality the need to being such a prude hard ass wasn't needed. Elway who I will forever compare to Gettleman when discussing the off season for 2016 did it right. Gettleman felt himself waaaaaaay too much after last year and each and every signing he did this off season proved it.

[CRA]

57 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

The Chiefs didn't tag him until July 14, 2016.  He signed it on August 28.

So I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here?  That Berry signed his tag after 45 days but Norman couldn't bother to get around signing his in 50?

One more time then...

Berry wanted a long term deal.  So...Berry and his team kept the window open for as long as possible.  Despite KC putting the tag on him after not getting the deal he didn't sign it immediately because he still wanted time for a deal.  He signed the tag because the season was about to start but he maxed out the negotiation window. 

Norman planned to play in Carolina in 2016.  Dave removed that option.  Norman didn sign the tag because he didn't want the two parties to quit working on a long term deal

[motocross_cat]

He better not let KB make him look like a fool.  

75 million dollar knife.  Sheesh.

[the butch]

the agent-gm relationship is the nasty underbelly of the NFL beast the effects these sentiments and generates these headlines.

[t96]

3 hours ago, rico6 said:

Ahh the Carolina patented "there's always next year" strawman. While Luke is on concussion #3 and Cam is what? On Quarterback hit #900? 

 

Based on what you've seen so far this year do you think just having Josh alone would make our team a Super Bowl contender this year? If you say yes you're a fool. If not, then, understanding that Josh wouldn't be here past this year, DG certainly made the right move.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

Based on what you've seen so far this year do you think just having Josh alone would make our team a Super Bowl contender this year? If you say yes you're a fool. If not, then, understanding that Josh wouldn't be here past this year, DG certainly made the right move.

Once again it was letting Josh go, losing Tillman to retirement and not resigning Harper which was the whole secondary. Then ignoring all the possible vet replacements and expecting 3 rookies and a few backups to replace them . He screwed up multiple times and the result is 5-8 from  last year. Go say he made any right moves is hard to swallow.

[Cpt slay a ho]

There isn't any logical reason behind rescinding the tag.....none


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[CatMan72]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

Eric Berry signed his tag after the 3rd preseason game.  You can look around be league or even at past tagged Panthers.  Players signing a tag immediately isn't the norm. 

That's fine, but every day you don't sign the tender is a day the team could change its mind and rescind the offer. Again, I have no problem with the way Josh handled it and despite what he says he got what he clearly wanted most. My problem is with him crying foul and calling Gettleman a back stabber.

[rico6]

To Gettleman's credit, his 2013 offseason was pretty damn epic and I thought the groundwork he was trying to establish was perfect. 

But 2014 happened and I gave him the benefit of doubt for being cap strapped, then a magical 2015 followed by a God awful 2016 has me in on the fence with his style. 

I hope Gettleman rights the ship, I really do, but as another poster said in another thread to follow up 2015 with playing meaningless pride games in November is horrifyingly depressing.

 

[PantherWake]

Some of yall really dont want to admit that Gettleman really fuged up this past offseason. I dont get it.

[ichigo1057]

I keep seeing this mention of Josh going to someplace that was willing to pay him what he was worth. I don't see it to be honest. The type of cash that they paid Norman is the type that you spend on a player that is for certain going to put you over the top and up to the next level. They went 9-7 last year and won their division, this year however they are currently 7-5-1 and are in a position to not make it to the playoffs at all. The addition of Josh might have made them slightly better on defense but for the cash spent it really wasn't worth it. I liked Josh on our team even with all the dimwitted crap he pulled (and often times flagged, which he is still doing) but I wouldn't pay him that type of cash and to be honest I'm not sure if I'd like paying him what the tag was going to provide.

I don't think Gettleman was wrong in this decision, that being said however, he was wrong in not at least picking up a vet or two to try and keep our leadership strong on the Defense. Luke and TD are great leaders but they can't do everything which is why the other vets, Peatnut, Harper, Allen, hell even Finnegan were great to have for our young guys. We were a young team last year with the average years of experience being 4.1 years but we are younger now at 3.5 years and I can tell the difference.

[iamhubby1]

6 hours ago, rico6 said:

Ahh the Carolina patented "there's always next year" strawman. While Luke is on concussion #3 and Cam is what? On Quarterback hit #900? 

 

 

Pretty hard to take your rant seriously, when you can't get the number of concussions Luke has had right. It's 2 by the way.

 

Gman, took a calculated risk this off-season. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Some folks can live with it. And some folks can't.

 

I know you don't want to hear this. But, 2 years ago the Raiders had 60mil in cap space, and look at them now. We have 50+mil, and are in far better shape. We could very well come out of this slump sitting pretty.

 

4 hours ago, CRA said:

One more time then...

Berry wanted a long term deal.  So...Berry and his team kept the window open for as long as possible.  Despite KC putting the tag on him after not getting the deal he didn't sign it immediately because he still wanted time for a deal.  He signed the tag because the season was about to start but he maxed out the negotiation window. 

Norman planned to play in Carolina in 2016.  Dave removed that option.  Norman didn sign the tag because he didn't want the two parties to quit working on a long term deal

 

See, this is the rub. You believe Josh would have signed a long term deal here. Some folks believe this as well. I believe that Josh knew from the get go he wasn't going to sign here, that we weren't going to be able to give him what he wanted.

 

Josh did not want the tag. He wanted a long term deal, with the guaranteed money that brings. We were not going to match what he wanted. People can argue all they want. But the crux of the matter is. Gman was not going to spend what Josh wanted.

 

After talks went no where, Gman figured the writing was on the wall. So he made a decision he thought could work. Rescind the tag, and use the money on KK. After all, the last time Gman tagged anyone, it was Hardy, and we all know how that worked out.

 

IMO, if we had signed KK long term. Fewer people would be so up in arms. But because the money wasn't used, people are all "Gman should have spent that money on such and such". Of course, with the year KK has had, people would probably be mad we gave him his contract at all.

 

Ever thought that IF Gman had known he was going to rescind the tag, he might have went after a FA CB? Or that Gman truly thought he was going to keep Josh?

 

It is not Gman's job to talk with Josh. That's what the agent is for. It is Josh's job to keep up with things. Maybe Josh fired his agent for a scapegoat because Josh didn't want to admit that maybe he wasn't as involved as he should have been. All I know is that if it were my money? I'd be talking to my agent every dang day.

 

Sorry for the rant. Sometimes I get carried away. I know, who'd a thunk it?

 

 

[rodeo]

There's some revisionist history going on with this whole thing. Norman refused to sign the tag and his agent had demanded a trade to try to bargain I guess. For all that Gettleman had been informed, Norman wouldn't be a Panther anymore under any circumstances without a new contract to make him the highest paid defender in the league.

The way it's being portrayed now, Norman was tagged and immediately signed and said "Oh yes please I want to play, I'll even take a paycut, I'll play for free, I just really love you so much." and Gettleman said "No! I rescind your tag! It was all a trick, also I am involved in pizzagate!"