Pundits "Stabbed in the back"

[CRA]

all I know is I will try my best to stay off the message board the day Gettlemen does hold his presser at the conclusion of the season....because I am sure he will say plenty that irks me and I likey could annoy at higher level than normal on the topic.  Ill give you a day.

then again, I could get surprised.  Gettlemen could come out at his presser and say he realized some mistakes were made and he did some soul searching...which potentially landed him at the huddle to get a pulse of his fanbase.  He then could go on about how he stumbled upon some inspiring posts by some interweb brainic posting under the name CRA.  He then starts regurgitating all my posts word for word.  He declares that he is now woke.  He likely could begin crying tears and is overcome with emotion about how he wishes he could of known all this before!! By some act of God suddenly his thick BAH-ston accent is gone and he treats the entire room to some PEE-CAN pie as a means to apologize for them having to cover such a horrible season.   Or he could just irk me with a bunch of bologna while me and Ron both listen with a stoic Ron face.

[uncfan888]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

all I know is I will try my best to stay off the message board the day Gettlemen does hold his presser at the conclusion of the season....because I am sure he will say plenty that irks me and I likey could annoy at higher level than normal on the topic.  Ill give you day.

then again, I could get surprised.  Gettlemen could come out at his presser and say he realized some mistakes were made and he did some soul searching...which potentially landed him at the huddle to get a pulse of his fanbase.  He then could go on about how he stumbled upon some inspiring posts by some interweb brainic posting under the name CRA.  He then starts regurgitating all my posts word for word.  He declares that he is now woke.  He likely could begin crying tears and is overcome with emotion about how he wishes he could of known all this before!! By some act of God suddenly his thick BAH-ston accent is gone and he treats the entire room to some PEE-CAN pie as a means to apologize for them have to cover such a horrible season.   Or he could just irk me with a bunch of bologna while me and Ron both listen with a stoic Ron face.

I have a strong feeling this place will be a war zone that day 

[CatMan72]

He was tendered on March 1st and it was rescinded on April 20th, not sure how long it takes him to write his name but that seems like enough time. 

If he's saying the tender was some sort of sham and he was never given access to the paperwork he should take that up with the NFLPA. 

[Swaggasaurus]

I hate sensationalism. It makes me ashamed to be alive in 2016. What the world has come to, sensationalism and extremism. Why are we so sick that we give these people, sports or other spectres a platform to poison the youth and the dimwitted. 

[CRA]

34 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

He was tendered on March 1st and it was rescinded on April 20th, not sure how long it takes him to write his name but that seems like enough time. 

If he's saying the tender was some sort of sham and he was never given access to the paperwork he should take that up with the NFLPA. 

Eric Berry signed his tag after the 3rd preseason game.  You can look around be league or even at past tagged Panthers.  Players signing a tag immediately isn't the norm. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

Imagine our secondary with Norman, Bradberry and Worley. Yea only could imagine that. fantasize....

 

 

[a_gumbel]

3 hours ago, KSpan said:

Dude had literally months to sign the tag, and no one outside of Josh, Dave, and the agent have a clue what was actually said during those conversations. Without definitive proof that Gettleman reneged on some kind of verbal agreement, this "stabbed in the back" stuff is gossip-column nonsense. 

If someone who paints is a painter and someone who bakes is a baker what do you call someone who reneges?

[Sasquatch]

3 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

That's the point- he couldn't sign the tag because Gettleman rescinded it, remember? 

Tag was applied 3/1, rescinded 4/20. Absolutely no time in that 7 weeks for him to get his sig on the tendered contract and initiate discussion on a longer term deal. Yep, he did everything he could to remain a Panther.

[CPantherKing]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

I'll have to look into it more to in reality.  There is a lot of shenanigan and bs with all that and teams.  

Teams don't always roll all that cap space over either just because they can

The rolling over of cap space is a bad argument.

I am waiting until people start talking about how carrying over 30M in the 2018 year is a genius move. Money left on the table as the window closes on the Panthers once in a generation talent.

Look at who he is spending money on: Soliai, Lee, Gano, Oher, Remmers, CJ, Ginn, Coleman, and Dickson.

Take the 3M off the table from Soliai, resctructure Ginn for 1M, restructure Gano for 1M (why would any GM give him 4M for a season?), Give CJ 1M less, do not extend Coleman before signing Norman for 0.5M, do not extend Oher for 1.5M, do not tender  Remmers for 2M, restructure Dickson for 1M, do not trade for Lee for 3M, and restructure Stewart for another 1M.

That is 15M without touching the rollover for 2016. Strike a long term deal for 12.5M to 13M and Norman signs it. He would have taken less than his market value to stay in Carolina, but you would have had to give him time to negotiate since the GM put his feet to the fire in the 2014 off season for a ridiculously low deal. He probably costs the Panthers 7 or 8M against the cap in 2016.

The point is the money was there one way or another, and most of it got spent on mediocre or non essential players.

Gettleman had the opportunity to get Norman signed in the 2014 off season, but he wanted to nickel and dime instead of giving him a reasonable offer of 9 or 10M per season. That forced Norman to bet on himself. Gettleman is clearly lacking in determining valuation and the future value of a player. This speaks to a much larger issue with the Panthers GM, who clearly lacks in most areas needed by a GM.

[rico6]

3 hours ago, thomas96 said:

The cap space cleared by not having Norman this year carries over into next year.

Ahh the Carolina patented "there's always next year" strawman. While Luke is on concussion #3 and Cam is what? On Quarterback hit #900? 

 

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

National Pundits agree that  Josh Norman didnt get a chance to sign the tender.

"He didnt give him the final offer to take it or leave it." 

"Poorly run organization" 

The real truth  a lot people don't want you to hear. 

 

 

I can't believe how stupid people and the pundits can be. 

The tag was placed on josh on march 1st. 

The tag wasn't rescinded until April 20th. 

Josh had all the time in the wortd to sign his tag.

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

I'm with CRA, Thomas96 and a couple other here.

It's not so much that Gross, Smith, Williams, Norman are gone as much as it is how they got gone, in country parlance. 

You want Smith gone? Fine, get a replacement (KelBen is not a #1).

You want DWill gone? Fine, get a replacement. (Tyler Gaffney, CAP and Kenjon Barner are not)

You want Norman gone? Fine get a replacement. (Reaching on 3 DBs in 3 consecutive rounds doesn't count). 

Consequently, the Panthers are as far away from the playoff hunt as they are from the salary cap. 

You seem to have the mistaken impression that roster and salary management are an easy, simple, one-to-one process.

It ain't.

[rico6]

14 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

Tag was applied 3/1, rescinded 4/20. Absolutely no time in that 7 weeks for him to get his sig on the tendered contract and initiate discussion on a longer term deal. Yep, he did everything he could to remain a Panther.

The Panthers just lost the most important game of their life what 2 maybe 3 weeks prior? Then Gettles throws the Franchise tender on the table and expects him to sign it without exploring his options or getting his mind off sports for a little bit? Von Miller didn't want to leave Denver and put Elway through one of the more embarrassing Off Seasons in history after Elway attempted to tossed the Tag at him. 

Norman is a talent you do all that you can to keep. Both sides fugged up, but for anyone thinking Gettleman was this poor victimized figure in all of this is grasping at straws. Then he drafts Bradberry and probably gave him his glowing endorsement to rock #24 as his jersey.

Not even going to dig in to his product of the system jabs he took. Sufficite it to say, Norman outright made him look and sound like a tool on that one.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Eric Berry signed his tag after the 3rd preseason game.  You can look around be league or even at past tagged Panthers.  Players signing a tag immediately isn't the norm. 

The Chiefs didn't tag him until July 14, 2016.  He signed it on August 28.

So I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make here?  That Berry signed his tag after 45 days but Norman couldn't bother to get around signing his in 50?