Pundits "Stabbed in the back"

[Mr. Scot]

Unused cap space does indeed roll over to the following year.

[The_Rainmaker]

Just now, carolinajay said:

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[CRA]

2 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I disagree, but that's OK. I still think the offense has been  the biggest problem this season. Now, if Gettlemen doesn't use that money, then I  can't defend him anymore cuz then there will be no reason for norman not to have been here 

other teams have been up in games comparable to us and done literally nothing on offense late in games...and won them.

We don't invest to be a team that relies on offense to win games.  We invest in our D to win the games they found themselves in this year.  Our brand of football is basically to win the type games we have been in this year......but we didn't have the defense. 

I'd be more critical in the O if we actually invested in them to be something.  We don't.  We invest to win defensively both in talent and coaching.  O has done there job given the investment.  D has found themselves with very nice leads often in games....and failed.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I disagree, but that's OK. I still think the offense has been  the biggest problem this season. Now, if Gettlemen doesn't use that money, then I  can't defend him anymore cuz then there will be no reason for norman not to have been here 

He's not going to use up all our cap space this offseason since he has said many times he keeps enough for flexibility during the season but I anticipate a lot of extensions for our boys coming. If that doesn't happen then I'll think less of the Norman move but even still some good has come from it. And that's getting both James and Daryl key reps in their rookie year. Those guys are going to be damn good, and delaying their development wouldn't have been good. Norman wouldn't have been the difference this year. Maybe DG saw that and figured it'd be pointless to have him for one year if the team isn't at that point.

[tiger7_88]

53 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

It's the agents fault the GM puffed out his ego, became impatient and quit on negotiations of a franchise tender.

Let's be honest and realize Gettlwman is terrible at negotiations and he is a novice when it comes to dealing with/using the franchise tag. It never goes well when he uses the franchise tag. There is a reason GMs refrain from using the tag unless they really do not want the player to leave.

Gettleman has had to use the tag because he struggles to successfully get a deal done the previous year. You can not keep trying to nickel and dime players and expect it to work. He will always lose more than win at the negotiating table.

What makes it even more puzzling is that Gettleman is quick to over pay players that are a non factor and sit the bench most of the season.

I'm glad you're fully supporting your Comrades In Arms like TheRainMaker and CRA in this thread, CPK!

Support them more!  Support them louder!

[uncfan888]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

He's not going to use up all our cap space this offseason since he has said many times he keeps enough for flexibility during the season but I anticipate a lot of extensions for our boys coming. If that doesn't happen then I'll think less of the Norman move but even still some good has come from it. And that's getting both James and Daryl key reps in their rookie year. Those guys are going to be damn good, and delaying their development wouldn't have been good. Norman wouldn't have been the difference this year. Maybe DG saw that and figured it'd be pointless to have him for one year if the team isn't at that point.

I know he won't use it all. But I want to see him use most of it and keep the 7 million or so that he keeps for emergencies or whatever.  Don't sit on 30 million. 

[uncfan888]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I'm glad you're fully supporting your Comrades In Arms like TheRainMaker and CRA in this thread, CPK!

Support them more!  Support them louder!

At least CPantherKing truly believes the dumb poo he spouts. Rainmaker is just a twelve year old troll looking to talk about fupas and write in a big font

[t96]

Just now, uncfan888 said:

I know he won't use it all. But I want to see him use most of it and keep the 7 million or so that he keeps for emergencies or whatever.  Don't sit on 30 million. 

I agree. I'd prefer it spent on locking up our guards, Star, possibly KK, Addison, etc. rather than on outside free agents. Wouldn't hate to see a higher level FA at DE or S but not expecting it or hoping for it.

[Anybodyhome]

14 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

You may have misunderstood me somewhere along the line but I don't share your sentiment.

I don't know that letting Norman go was the right decision. I don't think that can be determined yet. I thought we should have signed Josh long term but I understand DG's decision not to pay what he ended up getting. Josh should've honestly been willing to come down a bit to stay, if he really truly wanted to stay like he said he did. DG didn't reach on Bradberry or Worley, both are going to end up being cornerstones of our secondary for years to come, and having stability and consistency there is a good thing after the past few years.

Smitty is one of my favorite players of all time. That being said, it was absolutely time for him to go. For a couple reasons. The impact he had on Cam. I think this was very real and it was unfortunate and I don't really understand it, but it was the reality. Also, if we didn't cut Smitty then we would've picked up an option in his contract to keep him for 2 more years at pretty absurd cap hits (more than 3 times what the Ravens are paying him) and that would've crippled us. Also, he had lost a step and wasn't any longer a really great #1 receiver. The fire of getting cut boosted him a bit with the Ravens but I still don't think he was even close to his prime his first two years there. And now it's clear he shouldn't be the #1 option, and their offense has struggled because of their lack of threats on O.

D-Will offered nothing here and it was absolutely time for him to go. Like Smitty he subsequently lost weight and decided to start trying after getting cut since he didn't have that fat contract to sit on any more. He's been fine in Pissburgh but that has no bearing on the situation.

I like the way DG is building this team. Has he made some mistakes? Yeah. I'm not loving the Butler pick yet but it's way too early to judge it. I don't agree with going out and spending a bunch of money to fill holes with big name free agents. That's not really how you succeed long term in this league. DG's doing it the right away and it'll show. People complaining about DG here are ridiculous in my opinion.

Using hindsight and a player's performance with another team after leaving is neither logical nor accurate.

1. Josh Norman was the most well known and feared DB in the league since Revis was a household name a few years ago. He was undoubtedly headed to a huge payday as the most coveted player in free agency. Why the fug anyone would even suggest he take less to stay is ludicrous. Would you take a promotion at your current job with a 10% pay raise or take a 40% pay raise doing the same thing somewhere else? 

2. I'm not saying it wasn't time for Smith to go. The manner in which he was let go was dicked up and there wasn't a plan to replace him, unless you truly believe KB is a #1 WR.

3. DWill averaged 760 yards per season, Stewart has an injury history and has missed 25 games in 9 seasons and is an old 29. You want to make Stewart your #1RB? Fine, but you better have someone waiting in the wings. Fozzy? CAP? Who you got?

[CRA]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Unused cap space does indeed roll over to the following year.

if you elect to roll all if it....several teams didn't roll all the cap space they could of this past year

[Kakarot]

Right, and if Bradberry ends up being as good as we all hope, then I fully expect him to want to be one of the top paid at his position. So, when that happens, do we just start over again?

[joeyxfresco]

2 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Right, and if Bradberry ends up being as good as we all hope, then I fully expect him to want to be one of the top paid at his position. So, when that happens, do we just start over again?

JNo only had a years worth of work to show for it 

[Anybodyhome]

5 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Right, and if Bradberry ends up being as good as we all hope, then I fully expect him to want to be one of the top paid at his position. So, when that happens, do we just start over again?

Exactly. Is this what we can expect from Gettleman? Every time a player is good enough to become a high-end FA, does that mean he'll be gone?

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

8 minutes ago, joeyxfresco said:

JNo only had a years worth of work to show for it 

he wanted to get paid like he just did this year after 2014, which was basically 1/3 of a great season.  that wasn't going to happen so he bet on himself and he won out.  great for him and that's how it goes in the NFL.

it might be different with bradberry because if cpantherking is to be believed gettleman is severely biased toward his own draft picks.  take that statement however you want.