Pundits "Stabbed in the back"

[CRA]

1 minute ago, thomas96 said:

There is a good argument and it's the amount of money rescinding the tag gave the team to us on players who will be here long term.

I must of missed where Gettlemen used all that money he saved by not tagging Norman in 2016?  What big deals did he get done this offseason w/ the Norman money?

If only looking at it as a 2016 tag....it doesn't aid us as you suggested in the future.   His 2016 tag wouldn't impact 2017 and future cap space.

 

[chknwing]

can we just give The_Rainmaker his own forum and call it "The Dumpster Fire"  this way I can ignore all his threads at once.

[t96]

Just now, CRA said:

I must of missed where Gettlemen used all that money he saved by not tagging Norman in 2016?  What big deals did he get done this offseason w/ the Norman money?

If only looking at it as a 2016 tag....it doesn't aid us as you suggested in the future.   His 2016 tag wouldn't impact 2017 and future cap space.

 

The cap space cleared by not having Norman this year carries over into next year.

[Anybodyhome]

16 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Sign the tag. 

That's all he had to do. He played chicken instead.

That's the point- he couldn't sign the tag because Gettleman rescinded it, remember? 

[uncfan888]

I'm starting to lean towards the idea that Rainmaker is a Jeremy alt. No one could actually be so stupid and annoying with every thread he makes

[panthers55]

24 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Comes back to good-faith negotiating, and we could speculate to reach any conclusion that Norman or Gettleman were solely in the wrong. Again though, we have no idea what was or was not said during the negotiations. It's not stabbing in the back if an action is taken that someone is forewarned about, and other than this he-said she-said stuff there's no proof.

I'm also not really arguing about having him here in 2016 on the tag - sure would be nice. What's done is done though and the fact that we don't like/agree with it doesn't inherently mean that it was a shady move.

Norman said he was blindsided and heard about the tag being rescinded in the media similar to how Smith found out he was released. Gettleman has never denied it but instead retorted with his "he isn't going to let agents intimidate or bully him," I find it hard to defend his actions when he said he needed the money elsewhere and we still have 30 million in cap space. Gettleman did this in my opinion to send a message to all the players that if you don't sign the tag and try and play hard ball then he is gonna can you. I can even respect that as long as you replace the talent which he clearly didn't even attempt to do.

[Anybodyhome]

I'm with CRA, Thomas96 and a couple other here.

It's not so much that Gross, Smith, Williams, Norman are gone as much as it is how they got gone, in country parlance. 

You want Smith gone? Fine, get a replacement (KelBen is not a #1).

You want DWill gone? Fine, get a replacement. (Tyler Gaffney, CAP and Kenjon Barner are not)

You want Norman gone? Fine get a replacement. (Reaching on 3 DBs in 3 consecutive rounds doesn't count). 

Consequently, the Panthers are as far away from the playoff hunt as they are from the salary cap. 

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

The cap space cleared by not having Norman this year carries over into next year.

I'll have to look into it more to in reality.  There is a lot of shenanigan and bs with all that and teams.  

Teams don't always roll all that cap space over either just because they can

[uncfan888]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

I must of missed where Gettlemen used all that money he saved by not tagging Norman in 2016?  What big deals did he get done this offseason w/ the Norman money?

If only looking at it as a 2016 tag....it doesn't aid us as you suggested in the future.   His 2016 tag wouldn't impact 2017 and future cap space.

 

I thought that money got rolled over to this year? If he doesn't use it this offseason, then he shouldn't have rescinded it 

[mc52beast]

Only tenders I'm thinkin about are them luscious chicken tenders I'm bout to pounce on at my local Cook-Out

Josh is gone... let it go

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I thought that money got rolled over to this year? If he doesn't use it this offseason, then he shouldn't have rescinded it 

Even if it all does roll...that alone isn't a good enough reason.

I don't endorse the let's intentionally move backwards so I can built back up to where I intentionally moved backwards from approach to team building.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

I'm with CRA, Thomas96 and a couple other here.

It's not so much that Gross, Smith, Williams, Norman are gone as much as it is how they got gone, in country parlance. 

You want Smith gone? Fine, get a replacement (KelBen is not a #1).

You want DWill gone? Fine, get a replacement. (Tyler Gaffney, CAP and Kenjon Barner are not)

You want Norman gone? Fine get a replacement. (Reaching on 3 DBs in 3 consecutive rounds doesn't count). 

Consequently, the Panthers are as far away from the playoff hunt as they are from the salary cap. 

You may have misunderstood me somewhere along the line but I don't share your sentiment.

I don't know that letting Norman go was the right decision. I don't think that can be determined yet. I thought we should have signed Josh long term but I understand DG's decision not to pay what he ended up getting. Josh should've honestly been willing to come down a bit to stay, if he really truly wanted to stay like he said he did. DG didn't reach on Bradberry or Worley, both are going to end up being cornerstones of our secondary for years to come, and having stability and consistency there is a good thing after the past few years.

Smitty is one of my favorite players of all time. That being said, it was absolutely time for him to go. For a couple reasons. The impact he had on Cam. I think this was very real and it was unfortunate and I don't really understand it, but it was the reality. Also, if we didn't cut Smitty then we would've picked up an option in his contract to keep him for 2 more years at pretty absurd cap hits (more than 3 times what the Ravens are paying him) and that would've crippled us. Also, he had lost a step and wasn't any longer a really great #1 receiver. The fire of getting cut boosted him a bit with the Ravens but I still don't think he was even close to his prime his first two years there. And now it's clear he shouldn't be the #1 option, and their offense has struggled because of their lack of threats on O.

D-Will offered nothing here and it was absolutely time for him to go. Like Smitty he subsequently lost weight and decided to start trying after getting cut since he didn't have that fat contract to sit on any more. He's been fine in Pissburgh but that has no bearing on the situation.

I like the way DG is building this team. Has he made some mistakes? Yeah. I'm not loving the Butler pick yet but it's way too early to judge it. I don't agree with going out and spending a bunch of money to fill holes with big name free agents. That's not really how you succeed long term in this league. DG's doing it the right away and it'll show. People complaining about DG here are ridiculous in my opinion.

[uncfan888]

Just now, CRA said:

Even if it all does roll...that alone isn't a good enough reason.

I don't endorse the let's intentionally move backwards so I can built back up to where I intentionally moved backwards from approach to team building.

I disagree, but that's OK. I still think the offense has been  the biggest problem this season. Now, if Gettlemen doesn't use that money, then I  can't defend him anymore cuz then there will be no reason for norman not to have been here 

[carolinajay]

2 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said: