The rich get richer; Pats claim Michael Floyd.

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Wow really dude? You have zero perception yourself if you think T McClain was anything like Vince Wilfork coming out of college. That whole perception on belichick you guys have that he can mold anyone into anything is horse piss. What he does is gets the right guys for the job, his scheme. He eliminates guys as he see's fit, they don't play up to par they're gone. Here in Carolina we'll let a dog turd turn white.

So..... Belichick isn't the best personnel man... AND YET, the man has rings to prove that he is in fact good at Personnel. Some of you people really make me lol. I mean seriously? Isn't that what a head coach is all about? Determining the best personnel with what you're given.. All Kraft does is pay his players...  For those of you who think Micheal Floyd won't work out with one of the best QBs of all time LOL LMFAO!! you go from old man river, washed up Carson Palmer to Tom Brady... Also Floyd is already top receiver type talent out of the gate. Don't even give me the whole " What about Randy Moss" argument because Randy never fit into the option route based offense. Lafell not only didn't have the talent of a #1 but he failed in New England because he was a one hit wonder. His lack of hands really started showing up and guess what that means if you're a Pros pro quarterback? Someone like Brees, or Brady? You don't fugging throw to him because you can't trust him. Bottom fugging line, don't be THAT Panthers fan...

What it generally boils down to is a mistaken perception.

One risky move works: The guy is a genius who can do no wrong."

One bad choice: The guys is an idiot that must be fired now!

Ozzie Newsome has long been considered one of the best personnel men in the league. Thus, the perception is he doesn't make mistakes. And that perception couldn't be more wrong. Newsome makes moves that don't pan out on an annual basis, same as every other GM.

Likewise, Pete Carroll is one of the more successful coaches in the NFL over the past few years. Yet what's one if our more lasting memories of him? The choice to pass from the one yard line in the Super Bowl. And yes, dumb people did call for both he and OC Darrell Bevell to be fired...over that one play.

This extends to players too, mind you. A single mistake can cause people to be ready to give up on a guy, even when it's made by a rookie who we know is gonna be prone to mistakes. But reality is that if you've watched football long enough, you should know that the guy who just made a huge, boneheaded play on this down might make the play that saves the game on the next one.

People all too often just can't see the big picture. They react too quickly to a single moment and want huge, team changing decisions made based on a window that can be as tiny as a single play or personnel decision.

Ya gotta be able to pull back and look at more than just a single moment in time.

[Ivan The Awesome]

16 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Belichick makes a lot of moves like this and they never work out. There's a reason they were the only team to put in a claim. And it's not that Belichick's smarter than every other team. He may be the best coach but not the best personnel man. Not even close there.

Not best personnel man? He hits more than he misses. This is why he has the luxury to try everything that comes down the waiver claims. 

[thefuzz]

Don't care.

BB is not a good personnel man, he is a great coach, with arguably the best QB to ever play the game.

He excels at coaching, and figuring out how to take what you want to do away from you, and scheming every single team differently.  He may be the smartest X's and O's guy ever, and demands consistency from all of his players.

 

[Darvinsun]

17 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Belichick makes a lot of moves like this and they never work out. There's a reason they were the only team to put in a claim. And it's not that Belichick's smarter than every other team. He may be the best coach but not the best personnel man. Not even close there.

So how do they win if he sucks at personnel choices...why is it that we suck at personnel choices and we are losing..Hell he hasn't had a loosing season since?..Because even the suck players are put in the best position to help them succeed..even if it is the bench  sometimes...

[Catufb85]

sorry but can't agree on folks saying BB is bad at personnel choices.  he takes chances on players no one else really will.  he makes the brutal personnel trades that shock even other teams players.  he trades for picks and gets value.  hes made a lot more positive personnel decisions/contracts/trades than negative ones.  Im not hear to kiss BB's a$$ by any means I F'ing hate the patriots but you got to give the guy credit he is a winner. Yes, he has probably the best QB to play the game but he also won with Cassel, Garoppolo, and Briskett under the helm. 

Hes taken players that seem like they are regressing towards the end of their careers and won games and rings.

 

[Mvp2014]

1 minute ago, Catufb85 said:

sorry but can't agree on folks saying BB is bad at personnel choices.  he takes chances on players no one else really will.  he makes the brutal personnel trades that shock even other teams players.  he trades for picks and gets value.  hes made a lot more positive personnel decisions/contracts/trades than negative ones.  Im not hear to kiss BB's a$$ by any means I F'ing hate the patriots but you got to give the guy credit he is a winner. Yes, he has probably the best QB to play the game but he also won with Cassel, Garoppolo, and Briskett under the helm. 

Hes taken players that seem like they are regressing towards the end of their careers and won games and rings.

 

I think people say that bc they have had so many draft picks over the years but I agree they are still good at drafting.  Maybe not the best but they are damn good.  

[Billy Love]

Bill buys low and sells high. When he moves a high profile player, he usually trades that player for draft pick(s)...he does not cut without compensation. He then takes that draft pick(s) and coaches them up, uses them up until that players demands a high contract...that player is traded for draft pick(s) and the cycle repeats itself. The patriots are the best at moving players at the right time. If you can't or won't contribute, you're gone. Do you think Mike Tolbert would have survived being a patriot the last 2/3 years??? I don't. 

[frash.exe]

3 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

waiver wire is based on last years rankings, it doesnt chance actively through this season. we never got a chance at floyd. for the record Idont care that we didnt get him. just pointing out that a lot of people dont even know how the waiver wire works

that's not what i've read. also i'm not an expert on waiver order or anything but it's not like i didn't convey that in the post you quoted, sooooo....

[frash.exe]

2 hours ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Wow really dude? You have zero perception yourself if you think T McClain was anything like Vince Wilfork coming out of college. That whole perception on belichick you guys have that he can mold anyone into anything is horse piss. What he does is gets the right guys for the job, his scheme. He eliminates guys as he see's fit, they don't play up to par they're gone. Here in Carolina we'll let a dog turd turn white.

 

So..... Belichick isn't the best personnel man... AND YET, the man has rings to prove that he is in fact good at Personnel. Some of you people really make me lol. I mean seriously? Isn't that what a head coach is all about? Determining the best personnel with what you're given.. All Kraft does is pay his players...  For those of you who think Micheal Floyd won't work out with one of the best QBs of all time LOL LMFAO!! you go from old man river, washed up Carson Palmer to Tom Brady... Also Floyd is already top receiver type talent out of the gate. Don't even give me the whole " What about Randy Moss" argument because Randy never fit into the option route based offense. Lafell not only didn't have the talent of a #1 but he failed in New England because he was a one hit wonder. His lack of hands really started showing up and guess what that means if you're a Pros pro quarterback? Someone like Brees, or Brady? You don't fugging throw to him because you can't trust him. Bottom fugging line, don't be THAT Panthers fan...

haha

 

shut your fuging food hole

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, frash.exe said:

that's not what i've read. also i'm not an expert on waiver order or anything but it's not like i didn't convey that in the post you quoted, sooooo....

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From the first business day after the Super Bowl until the day after the third regular season week, assignments are based on a claiming order that is the same as the order in which clubs selected in that year’s Draft. From the beginning of the fourth regular season weekend through the Super Bowl, assignments are based on the inverse order of their win-loss record.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

So how do they win if he sucks at personnel choices...why is it that we suck at personnel choices and we are losing..Hell he hasn't had a loosing season since?..Because even the suck players are put in the best position to help them succeed..even if it is the bench  sometimes...

It's not that he sucks, he's just not as great as people tout.

IMO he's a middle of the pack personnel guy, and the best X's and O's coach in the game.  In addition to that, they play in an awful division, and he has the best (possibly) QB of all time as the trigger man.

[heel31ok]

19 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Belichick makes a lot of moves like this and they never work out. There's a reason they were the only team to put in a claim. And it's not that Belichick's smarter than every other team. He may be the best coach but not the best personnel man. Not even close there.

They don't seem to have trouble finding and developing what they need...

[Darvinsun]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

It's not that he sucks, he's just not as great as people tout.

IMO he's a middle of the pack personnel guy, and the best X's and O's coach in the game.  In addition to that, they play in an awful division, and he has the best (possibly) QB of all time as the trigger man.

My thing is its not like he gets to pick the cream of the crop people every yr because he is winning..so he does what is for the good of his team...he trades away good people and just may get what we would call a below average player, but they still come in and  excell ..maybe not to upgrade the player but to do what he needs them to do...he puts them in position to achieve success..they go anywhere else they may look like a bust...it is because he sees the player for what they are and does not waste. Its next man up bc he has accurately looked at them for a particular piece..thats something our coaches are not good at.. Your not going to hit on every player but he makes it work somehow.

[rippadonn]

They take chances. Genius!