Cam Newton has the longest streak of sub 50% completion rate (4) since The Golden Calf of Bristol (6)

[Snake]

Comp% can be masked by scheme. WCO is notorious for making avg QB's have high comp %. Cam Newton on the other hand is in a scheme that does the opposite with long deep passes. 

[kent]

This is the first year I feel Cam hasn't improved or even regressed from past year.

Even check-down passes, I've seen him throwing high inaccurately and that caused receivers no chance of YAC. 

[FootballLivesMatter]

His completions % isn't always the best

[capfolly]

Cam's statement sounds good until you realize one minor problem with it. You aren't winning Cam. His statement is meaningless because he doesn't have the wins to back it up, And I'm a bit disappointent in how many people are cool with our $100 million+, former MVP throwing out the notion that completion % for a QB doesn't matter. Hooray for mediocrity. Oh and if the "leader" of the offense is allowed to use this excuse than why is this not allowed?

[pstall]

We are similar to the Raiders who lost the SB.

Team and the previous MVP, Rich Gannon were dreadful the following year. 

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

12 hours ago, Snake said:

Comp% can be masked by scheme. WCO is notorious for making avg QB's have high comp %. Cam Newton on the other hand is in a scheme that does the opposite with long deep passes. 

yeah there's a long list of guys like matt flynn, kevin kolb, matt cassel, nick foles, etc. who set the world on fire for one or two seasons in west coast systems and then flopped elsewhere, sometimes getting paid big to do it.  you could possibly include ryan fitzpatrick in that group as well.

[thefuzz]

19 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

False.

3rd and 15, 5 yard COMPLETION. Completion % goes up and QB rating goes up. 

3rd and 15, 40 yard INCOMPLETION deep. Completion % goes down and QB rating goes down. 

Both plays result in a punt

Completion percentage and QB rating is the most useless stat in team sports. 

Not even worth it.

[AceBoogie]

14 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Really not as bad as it seems, cam rarely checks down and add in drops and you have a bad percentage. Couple with some games where he was Atrocious to start(oak). Cam just needs to check down more, one of his biggest weakness. Not a big issue of cam starts checking down


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Check downs just for the sake of completions on third down is pointless 

[TheRed]

Completion percentage doesn't really matter all that much in this offense to begin with. But with an outmatched, and injured offensive line, a lack of consistent run game, receivers dropping passes, who the hell would have a great completion percentage.

There are plenty of mediocre QB's in NFL history that have had what would be considered good completion percentages that just tossed limp wrist passes barely ahead of the line of scrimmage all day. They didn't win much, but it made the stat line look decent.

[Ricky Spanish]

40 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Check downs just for the sake of completions on third down is pointless 

I think you're just looking at it wrong. 

If you check down to a guy on 3rd and long when everyone is covered, it gives said player the opportunity to do something with the ball and get a first down. The likelihood of it happening is not fantastic, but it still gives the guy a chance.

With a long 40 yard bomb on 3rd and long, you have to trust that Ted Ginn (obviously the deep man in any and all of these situations) will make a catch and no expects that to happen on any consistent basis. 

In any case, Cam isn't really taking what the Defense is giving him this year, he's trying to force a ton of throws and many are getting broken up before they get to the receivers (at least form what I've seen). This could also be due to the fact that we rarely have an outlet/dumpoff/check down route being run to help Cam when the receivers are inevitably covered downfield because they are staying in to Max protect and block for him. This is due to the poor line play this season, but what do you expect with a line full of backups. 

Also Shula isn't helping.

This wasn't intended to be a poo on Cam thread, I was just pointing out something ugly. I still have faith in him for the future.

[Hoenheim]

23 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

It is not about passing numbers. It is about 1st downs and TDs.

Cam has averaged 14.6  1st/TD per game from 2011 to 2015.

In 2015, he averaged 16 1st/TD per game.

In 2016, he is averaging 13.4 1st/TD per game. (This is the lowest in his career.)

Completion percentage and QB rating only matter on 3rd down to determine how well a QB can keep the chains moving. Cam is 49.6% completions on 3rd down in 2016 and he was 50.1% completions in 2015. The difference is that he has compensated in the past by running more on 3rd down to convert 1st downs, and this offset his low completion percentage. He is running the ball half as much as he has in previous seasons.

Let's keep in mind that the Panthers receivers have the worst hands in the NFL with KB, Ginn, Brown and Funchess at or under 50% catch percentage.

We know this is not a product of Cam Newton's passing because Greg Olsen is well above 60% catching. The following receivers have also produced better catch percentages than Olsen with multiple targets by Cam. [In order of efficiency]

1. Gary Barnidge
2. Domenik Hixon
3. Brenton Bersin
4. Jerricho Cotchery (the failure to replace Cotchery's hands is noticeable on offense)

Steve Smith, Ed Dickson, Brandon Lafell, Legedue Naanee, and Jeremy Shockey all had catch percentages at or near 60%.

All receivers not listed are below 55% catch percentage with Cam.

Devin Funchess, Louis Murphy, and Armanti Edwards are the only receivers below 50% catching with Cam.

The answer is not changing the QB. The answer is finding receivers who can catch the ball, and definitely making sure the receivers in on 3rd down packages have reliable hands. I would suggest Olsen, Bersin, and Dickson all be receiving threats on 3rd down when they are not in the red zone. If the receivers can not produce well enough with their consistency on 1st and 2nd down, then they should not see the field on 3rd down.

I would have liked to see Greg Olsen, Hunter Henry, Vernon Davis, Stefon Diggs and Christian McCaffery as the 3rd down package options in 2017. All misses that were obvious choices to me if the Panthers wanted to improve the efficiency of their offensive drives. Hopefully, they do not miss on McCaffery. Need more hands players on offense that are as good with their hands, if not better, than Olsen.

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[Hoenheim]

If thr panthers are never going to play Byrd in a real game, we're going to need a speedster to replace Ginn in the next few years. He's not going to have that kind of speed after a sEason or two more 

[thefuzz]

57 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Completion percentage doesn't really matter all that much in this offense to begin with. But with an outmatched, and injured offensive line, a lack of consistent run game, receivers dropping passes, who the hell would have a great completion percentage.

There are plenty of mediocre QB's in NFL history that have had what would be considered good completion percentages that just tossed limp wrist passes barely ahead of the line of scrimmage all day. They didn't win much, but it made the stat line look decent.

It isn't a measure in and of itself for evaluating a QB....it's part of the process though.

You do need to factor in the offense being run, the players catching the ball, and the style of play for said QB.

It's not a throwaway stat, but it's not the end all be all either.

 

Elway and Marino were sub 60% passers...much like Cam, but most of the greats are above 60%...at least in the modern era.

[CPantherKing]

19 hours ago, AU-panther said:

How does Cam rate in the metrics that you feel are

important?

Cam currently has a:

• 43.7% 1D rate on 3rd/4th down. 13th among QBs.
• 1.8% TO rate. 15th among QBs.
• 4.2 RZ ratio. 15th among QBs.

Overall I have Cam rated as the 11th most productive QB in the league for 2016.

In 2015, I had Cam rated 2nd in the league based on productivity among these categories behind Carson Palmer.

• 47.3% 1D rate on 3rd/4th down. 4th among QBs.
• 2.0% TO rate. 24th among QBs.
• 2.9 RZ ratio. 2nd among QBs.

Cam Newton is on pace to turn the ball over less than he did in 2015.

Newton has struggled to convert 1st downs on critical downs due to a decline in the catching % of receivers. He lost Cotchery and that role has not been filled well by any of the WR. He is also running less this year, which has led to a decrease in his rushes and running 1st downs.

Cam Newton has been less effective in the red zone this season. It is taking him more plays to convert a TD when he is in the red zone. This will lead to an increased chance for error with the more plays a team runs in the red zone. I am not quite sure why red zone productivity has gone down. My guess would be Cam is not running it as much for TDs and trying to rely on the return of KB.

Everyone gets on Cam and the offense about TOs this season, but Cam is on pace to be better in that area. The turnover issue lies on the shoulders of the defensive drop off in stops after turnovers and takeaways imo.