Cam Newton has the longest streak of sub 50% completion rate (4) since The Golden Calf of Bristol (6)

[Neylus]

2 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Question for everyone here.  Russell Wilson throws at a 66 percent clip, has 14 TDs and 10 INTs.  While Cam throws at a 54 percent clip, and has 20 TDS and 9 ints.  Who would people rather have at this point?  

The way to look at this is at 54% completion, how much room for improvement is there for Cam? Plenty... I'll take Cam. 

[Mr. Scot]

Wilson is in a West Coast system. WCO masks a lot of things and pretty much always inflates stats, completion percentage especially.

Heck, at one point, David Carr had the best completion percentage in the NFL.

 

[outlaw4]

13 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

It's definitely something he's gotta fix. With the way this offense is ran, I can accept his completion % being around 57 - 61 percent. I say it's something he's got to fix, because I know it's something he's highlighted as an area of opportunity before. 

The whole team is trash right now, and just like the team will be better next year, so will Cam. 

Number sounds about right. Brett Favre's career average was 62%. Dan Marino and Dan Fouts was 59%. Gunslingers aren't going to put up Brees or Pennington numbers.

Cam shouldn't care too much about the number itself but he should care that he needs to work on leading his receivers better. We complain about not calling more slants but Cam throws behind too often wheras he'll do much better with sonething like a skinny post. Probably why we don't see drags that often either.

[CPantherKing]

2 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Question for everyone here.  Russell Wilson throws at a 66 percent clip, has 14 TDs and 10 INTs.  While Cam throws at a 54 percent clip, and has 20 TDS and 9 ints.  Who would people rather have at this point?  

It is not about passing numbers. It is about 1st downs and TDs.

Cam has averaged 14.6  1st/TD per game from 2011 to 2015.

In 2015, he averaged 16 1st/TD per game.

In 2016, he is averaging 13.4 1st/TD per game. (This is the lowest in his career.)

Completion percentage and QB rating only matter on 3rd down to determine how well a QB can keep the chains moving. Cam is 49.6% completions on 3rd down in 2016 and he was 50.1% completions in 2015. The difference is that he has compensated in the past by running more on 3rd down to convert 1st downs, and this offset his low completion percentage. He is running the ball half as much as he has in previous seasons.

Let's keep in mind that the Panthers receivers have the worst hands in the NFL with KB, Ginn, Brown and Funchess at or under 50% catch percentage.

We know this is not a product of Cam Newton's passing because Greg Olsen is well above 60% catching. The following receivers have also produced better catch percentages than Olsen with multiple targets by Cam. [In order of efficiency]

1. Gary Barnidge
2. Domenik Hixon
3. Brenton Bersin
4. Jerricho Cotchery (the failure to replace Cotchery's hands is noticeable on offense)

Steve Smith, Ed Dickson, Brandon Lafell, Legedue Naanee, and Jeremy Shockey all had catch percentages at or near 60%.

All receivers not listed are below 55% catch percentage with Cam.

Devin Funchess, Louis Murphy, and Armanti Edwards are the only receivers below 50% catching with Cam.

The answer is not changing the QB. The answer is finding receivers who can catch the ball, and definitely making sure the receivers in on 3rd down packages have reliable hands. I would suggest Olsen, Bersin, and Dickson all be receiving threats on 3rd down when they are not in the red zone. If the receivers can not produce well enough with their consistency on 1st and 2nd down, then they should not see the field on 3rd down.

I would have liked to see Greg Olsen, Hunter Henry, Vernon Davis, Stefon Diggs and Christian McCaffery as the 3rd down package options in 2017. All misses that were obvious choices to me if the Panthers wanted to improve the efficiency of their offensive drives. Hopefully, they do not miss on McCaffery. Need more hands players on offense that are as good with their hands, if not better, than Olsen.

[GoobyPls]

That's a terrible stat, some of its his fault but for the most part is the receivers and the garbage offense we run. We are last in screens and first and passes over 10 yards.

[CatMan72]

We're also ranked 15th in dropped passes. 

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2016/

[TylerVagyler]

34 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

We're also ranked 15th in dropped passes. 

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2016/

The difference between us and the team with the lowest amount of dropped passes in 11. That's less than one per game. Not really a big difference. Not really a good excuse. Do the WRs on this team deserve some of the blame? Sure, but Cam plays a huge role in his and the team's inconsistencies. His throwing mechanics are so erratic and it's year 6. 

He's having a bad season. He's not solely the blame for our record, but it's impossible to deny that he is having a bad season.

[AceBoogie]

4 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I see where you are going, but I kinda disagree with it.

Higher completion % keeps your defense on the sideline, and their defense on the field.  It keeps you ahead of the down and distance, and allows you to control the game.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of "guys who score points" but you also need to be methodical at times as well.

False.

3rd and 15, 5 yard COMPLETION. Completion % goes up and QB rating goes up. 

3rd and 15, 40 yard INCOMPLETION deep. Completion % goes down and QB rating goes down. 

Both plays result in a punt

Completion percentage and QB rating is the most useless stat in team sports. 

[AU-panther]

9 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

False.

3rd and 15, 5 yard COMPLETION. Completion % goes up and QB rating goes up. 

3rd and 15, 40 yard INCOMPLETION deep. Completion % goes down and QB rating goes down. 

Both plays result in a punt

Completion percentage and QB rating is the most useless stat in team sports. 

So what stat would you say is a good indicator of a QBs ability? 

[CPantherKing]

55 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

So what stat would you say is a good indicator of a QBs ability? 

1st down conversion rate on 3rd/4th down, turnover %, and plays/TD ratio in the red zone.

You can give me a QB who has a below 50% completion percentage with a 45% 1st down conversion rate on 3rd/4th down, a turnover rate of 3% or less, and 5.0 red zone ratio.

I do not care what a QB is doing on 1st and 2nd down as long as those 3 areas are strong.

Now, a QB with a higher completion percentage will likely have a better chance at success, but that does not mean they will have success. The opposite is true for lower completion percentages. They could have more success than a QB with a higher completion %. Essentially, all a higher completion percentage tells you is that QB has more room for error.

[ncsportsfan1234]

7 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

Question for everyone here.  Russell Wilson throws at a 66 percent clip, has 14 TDs and 10 INTs.  While Cam throws at a 54 percent clip, and has 20 TDS and 9 ints.  Who would people rather have at this point?  

Cherry picking stats to act like Cam hasn't been awful this season... 

 

13 passing TDs to 14 passing TD Wilson has had a much better season  throwing the ball... 

Also they have the same amount of total turnovers...

 

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

1st down conversion rate on 3rd/4th down, turnover %, and plays/TD ratio in the red zone.

You can give me a QB who has a below 50% completion percentage with a 45% 1st down conversion rate on 3rd/4th down, a turnover rate of 3% or less, and 5.0 red zone ratio.

I do not care what a QB is doing on 1st and 2nd down as long as those 3 areas are strong.

Now, a QB with a higher completion percentage will likely have a better chance at success, but that does not mean they will have success. The opposite is true for lower completion percentages. They could have more success than a QB with a higher completion %. Essentially, all a higher completion percentage tells you is that QB has more room for error.

How does Cam rate in the metrics that you feel are

important?

[AceBoogie]

21 minutes ago, ncsportsfan1234 said:

Cherry picking stats to act like Cam hasn't been awful this season... 

 

13 passing TDs to 14 passing TD Wilson has had a much better season  throwing the ball... 

Also they have the same amount of total turnovers...

 

Cam played one less game 

[CRA]

6 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I see where you are going, but I kinda disagree with it.

Higher completion % keeps your defense on the sideline, and their defense on the field.  It keeps you ahead of the down and distance, and allows you to control the game.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of "guys who score points" but you also need to be methodical at times as well.

Carolina and Seattle have almost identical time of possession per drive (Carolina with a technical edge)