Todd McShay: Fournette drops to 7, will be a Carolina Panther.

[The Lobo]

17 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers issues are with their 3rd down offense and 3rd down defense.

How does Fournette help us with either?

Not to mention Stewart has a couple more seasons, and the Panthers can angle for Bo Scarbrough. My future backfield would be JStew, Bo Scarbrough and Christian McCaffrey in 2018. For right now Stewart and McCaffrey will be good.

All the offense needs in 2017 is a home run threat for a 3rd down RB who can catch, a slot receiver with reliable hands, and better OTs.

The defense needs the bulk of the work.

Sign desean and draft dalvin. Also sign Cyprien from jax 

[Fox007]

53 minutes ago, TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam said:

Running backs aren't worthy of being top 5 selections anymore. 

Not fournette, not anyone. Elliiot is working out because of the dallas line. Not because he was worthy. Our line isn't really anything decent. So fournette here will be about like Gurley. 

 

It doesn't really matter. Gettleman ain't taking him anyways. He will take a defensive lineman like the squid he is. 

Yes they are. Barry Sanders -3 and Walter Peyton -4 and you're a retard if you wouldn't take those 2 in the top 5, even today.

Also you'd be a retard if you wouldn't take Adrian Peterson in this draft top 5.

It's about the player not the position.

[nctarheel0619]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers issues are with their 3rd down offense and 3rd down defense.

How does Fournette help us with either?

Not to mention Stewart has a couple more seasons, and the Panthers can angle for Bo Scarbrough. My future backfield would be JStew, Bo Scarbrough and Christian McCaffrey in 2018. For right now Stewart and McCaffrey will be good.

All the offense needs in 2017 is a home run threat for a 3rd down RB who can catch, a slot receiver with reliable hands, and better OTs.

The defense needs the bulk of the work.

McCaffrey already declared for this years Draft, man.  You have some knowledge, but dude.  poo like this is what makes people give you poo on here.  

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

He will be gone before we pick. Chi or jets will take him. We could even see Jax take him if they stick with there QB. 

Chicago has Jordan Howard who has proven more than capable when he was finally locked in as the lead back. Now the Jags and Jets are a little more problematic, especially the Jags. I really think that at least two out of the three will pick a QB---definitely one (either Watson or Trubisky) if the Browns pick one. There will probably be another QB that rises between now and the draft. The Browns, 49ers, Jags and Jets all arguably need a franchise QB, and their coaches (including the new one for the Jags) should be a little uncomfortable going into battle with what they presently have.

[DamnItJake!]

On 12/14/2016 at 10:22 AM, nctarheel0619 said:

 

Todd McShay first 2017 NFL Mock Draft     The mock draft below, our first to preview 2017, projects all 32 first-round picks. It goes without saying that a lot will change between now and April 27, including the draft order, team needs and the grades of many of our top prospects, as we continue our tape evaluations and dig deeper into intangibles and medical status.  1. Cleveland Browns Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama Let's get this out of the way: No QB in this class is worth the No. 1 pick. The Browns just need more good football players. Allen is a total game-plan wrecker along the defense front (13 tackles for loss, 15 QB hurries). Texas A&M pass-rusher Myles Garrett also figures to be in the mix here. 2. San Francisco 49ers Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M* Considering the lack of elite QB/WR talent in this class, the 49ers would be thrilled to see Garrett fall to them at No. 2. Tied with LSU RB Leonard Fournette for my best grade in this class, Garrett is the most disruptive pass-rusher in college football, with 21 sacks and 20 QB hurries in 23 games the past two seasons. 3. Jacksonville Jaguars Jamal Adams, S, LSU* Assuming he leaves school early, Adams will be one of the most complete players in this draft. He can stuff the run as an in-the-box safety, he can cover and he's a great leader to bring into your locker room. The Jaguars need to continue to invest resources in their secondary. 4. Chicago Bears Jabrill Peppers, S/OLB, Michigan* The Bears are another team likely to be in the market for a QB this offseason without a good option at the top of the draft. Peppers would make sense, given Chicago's lack of difference-makers in the secondary. He's a true hybrid player, with the speed and athleticism to thrive in space and the toughness to play bigger than his 205-pound frame. 5. Tennessee Titans (from Rams) Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State* The Titans have the good fortune of not needing to even consider a quarterback with the pick they received in the Jared Goff trade. Lattimore could use some more game experience, but if he leaves Columbus early, CB-needy teams such as the Titans could be enticed by the natural talent he has displayed on the perimeter in his first year as a starter. 6. New York Jets Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama Williams is disruptive -- if a little inconsistent -- with excellent first-step quickness off the edge. Nearly all of his tackles for loss this season came against SEC opponents (14 of the 15.5 total). A pass-rusher could very well be near the top of the Jets' needs by the time April rolls around. 7. Carolina Panthers Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU* Fournette hasn't budged from the No. 1 spot in my prospect rankings all season. He is a rare talent for the position, the best college running back I've evaluated since Adrian Peterson in 2007. And though he has been hampered by an ankle injury all season, he has put up off-the-charts production when healthy. It would be great value for the Panthers if Fournette were to fall out of the top five.

Don't need another Stewart ...can't have him play 3 games and be done for 8.. not sure on Fournette..

[Snake]

17 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Chicago has Jordan Howard who has proven more than capable when he was finally locked in as the lead back. Now the Jags and Jets are a little more problematic, especially the Jags. I really think that at least two out of the three will pick a QB---definitely one (either Watson or Trubisky) if the Browns pick one. There will probably be another QB that rises between now and the draft. The Browns, 49ers, Jags and Jets all arguably need a franchise QB, and their coaches (including the new one for the Jags) should be a little uncomfortable going into battle with what they presently have.

Fox likes two backs to rotate. Never known him to use just one back. 

[Zaximus]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Fox likes two backs to rotate. Never known him to use just one back. 

Bears need either a QB or defense help, big time.   They'll use Langford to play with Howard.

[top dawg]

12 minutes ago, Snake said:

Fox likes two backs to rotate. Never known him to use just one back. 

They also use Kadeem Carey

[Snake]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

They also use Kadeem Carey

They could add a top level talent though. They will more than likely move on from Cutler though. 

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, bobcat91 said:

No, I'll just take a guy who has proven he is a top 5 DT over a guy who played part of the year. If we drafted and made personnel decisions like NE then let him walk. But we don't and we need him. At some point you can't let folks keep walking. Our example is what our moron GM did which lead us to one of the two worst defenses against the pass this year. Keep drinking the Gettleman koolaid and keep watching us picking in the top 10 each year.

 

This is the first year we are picking in the top 10 since Gman got here. Unless you count his first year, which should not be considered IMO. Not sure how you can call that a trend?

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, FootballLivesMatter said:

Adams will go so high we won't have a chance. 

Lets hope a QB rips it off during the combine, pro day, senior bowl, etc. + Peppers, Foster, Tim Williams, and others sky rocket their talents, even Davin Cook. So, Fournette Falls.

 

 I mean, we are picking 8th. Isn't that pretty high? I mean, sheesh, how many players are we going to actually miss out on picking 8th?

[Icebox]

2 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

The Panthers issues are with their 3rd down offense and 3rd down defense.

How does Fournette help us with either?

Not to mention Stewart has a couple more seasons, and the Panthers can angle for Bo Scarbrough. My future backfield would be JStew, Bo Scarbrough and Christian McCaffrey in 2018. For right now Stewart and McCaffrey will be good.

All the offense needs in 2017 is a home run threat for a 3rd down RB who can catch, a slot receiver with reliable hands, and better OTs.

The defense needs the bulk of the work.

A great RB helps a ton on third downs, because they tend to lead to 3rd and short, rather than 3rd and long. Here's a great article on that subject: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80ae2bf7/article/firstdown-success-is-the-key-to-thirddown-conversions

Stewart has been a solid workhorse (3.8 ypc average is pedestrian, but great considering the o-line), but he isn't getting younger. He's well past the prime for RBs in the league, and you can't bank on getting two more solid years by a RB on the north side of 30.

When I see McCaffrey, I think Reggie Bush. I don't see him as a serious threat at the NFL level, at least not as a RB.

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, nctarheel0619 said:

McCaffrey already declared for this years Draft, man.  You have some knowledge, but dude.  poo like this is what makes people give you poo on here.  

Yes, I know that McCaffrey declared. I am wanting to draft him if he falls to the 2nd round in 2017. That would give the Panthers Stewart and McCaffrey in 2017. Then go after Bo Scarbrough in 2018 to replace Stewart by 2019.

That is how I want the RB position addressed.

Fix the 3rd down offense in 2017. Fournette will see little to no snaps on 3rd down.

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

This is the first year we are picking in the top 10 since Gman got here. Unless you count his first year, which should not be considered IMO. Not sure how you can call that a trend?

Gettleman has never picked in the top 10, I don't believe (not even his first year).