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Am I the only one who thinks an 8-8 finish should cost Rivera his job?

KillaCamNewton

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Looking at Newtons stats by half is a decent indicator of what's going on.  nothing really jumps out about the offense is attempting to do.

Looking at TOP by half the Panthers are 19th in the league at 49%. In the second half we improve to 53.3% which is 5th best.

Points wise we fall from 13 pts a game in 1sthe half to 10.9. A drop but not huge.

On defense we give up 10.7 in the first half and 15.2 in the second.

 

I'm having a hard time finding where the offense is shutting it down.  Given that we actually improve in top significantly it seems we are overlooking the defenses inability to make adjustments as well.

 

Though upon some thought if we have the ball a little more and pass a little less that could indicate a change.

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3 hours ago, csx said:

Looking at Newtons stats by half is a decent indicator of what's going on.  nothing really jumps out about the offense is attempting to do.

Looking at TOP by half the Panthers are 19th in the league at 49%. In the second half we improve to 53.3% which is 5th best.

Points wise we fall from 13 pts a game in 1sthe half to 10.9. A drop but not huge.

On defense we give up 10.7 in the first half and 15.2 in the second.

 

I'm having a hard time finding where the offense is shutting it down.  Given that we actually improve in top significantly it seems we are overlooking the defenses inability to make adjustments as well.

 

Though upon some thought if we have the ball a little more and pass a little less that could indicate a change.

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If you take it by average it appears to be normal. 

But we have scored a TD in the SF, NO ATL, TB and OAK only (total-119pts) .  The other eight games 6 points or less.  10.9 equates to 142 subtract these 5 games and we have scored 23 points in the other 8 games. 

SF is terrible, N.O. defense is terrible, Atlanta is just as bad.   TB is the only Defense worthy of bragging about.   Oakland gave us 14 points and we came alive in the second half only to lose. Of those 5 games we scored in the 2nd half we only Won SF.  SF came with 6 point before we rallied for 13 point late in the game.

23 POINTS in 8 games.  roughly 3 points per half.   Is that acceptable?  To me it is not. 

SHULA's gotta go. 

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12 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

If you take it by average it appears to be normal. 

But we have scored a TD in the SF, NO ATL, TB and OAK only (total-119pts) .  The other eight games 6 points or less.  10.9 equates to 142 subtract these 5 games and we have scored 23 points in the other 8 games. 

SF is terrible, N.O. defense is terrible, Atlanta is just as bad.   TB is the only Defense worthy of bragging about.   Oakland gave us 14 points and we came alive in the second half only to lose. Of those 5 games we scored in the 2nd half we only Won SF.  SF came with 6 point before we rallied for 13 point late in the game.

23 POINTS in 8 games.  roughly 3 points per half.   Is that acceptable?  To me it is not. 

SHULA's gotta go. 

It just appears that Newtons attemptso in the second half aren't considerably different. That can suggest they aren't making significant changes and the team just isn't executing as well after the opposing defense makes adjustments. I don't buy this explanation that Rivera shuts off the offense in the second half. I'm open to evidence that he does but nobody talks numbers.....just emotion.

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5 minutes ago, csx said:

It just appears that Newtons attemptso in the second half aren't considerably different. That can suggest they aren't making significant changes and the team just isn't executing as well after the opposing defense makes adjustments. I don't buy this explanation that Rivera shuts off the offense in the second half. I'm open to evidence that he does but nobody talks numbers.....just emotion.

My point exactly.  We are probably running the same plays we did in the first half and defenses make adjustments and defend those plays better.   OCs have to be ready to see what they did.  For crying out loud he has the best seat in the house to see it.   Counter moves Shula knows nothing about.

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This is going to be unpopular, but here goes...

We won't let Shula go in the offseason, we'll keep him as OC. And in 2017, we'll have a 12-4 or better season with an explosive offense again, with a deep run in the playoffs, if not to the Superb Owl.

And at the end of it, everyone will still want to fire Shula -- except for the folks who are running the team.

 

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